Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[brihard]

After consideration and despite the ignominy of losing his seat Poilievre is the best candidate to run the CPC for the next couple of years. At least until a strong replacement can be lined up.

The Liberals aren't a new party, someone needs to call them on their shady behavior.

But is he the best person to run against Mark Carney for PM in a few years? He was probably the best person to run against Trudeau. I don’t personally believe he’s the best the CPC can choose to run against Carney, and that’s the choice they need to make.

 

[MilEME09]

No questions allowed until Tuesday? Weird timing of a press conference and to add no questions? Weirder

https://twitter.com/x/status/1918820192777589198

 

[JLB50]

or the chinese? They probably have more to gain than the u.s. by de-stabilizing any western country

A number of countries could gain from a fractured Canada. But the U.S. would gain the most from Alberta pulling out of Canada. There’s no way they could possibly exist as an independent or even semi-independent country for very long, even if they allowed rail and highway trade between British Columbia and the eastern provinces . The U.S. oil and gas industry already pretty much controls the shots in Alberta and they would get the U.S. government to help grab Alberta and possibly Saskatchewan very quickly. British Columbia couldn’t exist very long either. After that, the other provinces would topple like dominoes…even linguistically different Quebec despite their language laws.

I mentioned somewhere awhile back in another thread that my mother had a brother in law who was in the C.I.A. in the 1950s/60s/70s. He wouldn’t give her specific information about what he actually did, other than to smile and say something like…“It’s interesting how, after I’ve been to Latin America a revolution always seems to occur.”

IMHO if Canada is broken apart by Alberta’s departure, the U.S. will be in for the kill rather than allow some other country to get the resources of what used to be Canada. And I am sure that Trump’s new C.I.A henchmen are already working to make it happen.

 

[HavokFour]

No questions allowed until Tuesday? Weird timing of a press conference and to add no questions? Weirder

https://twitter.com/x/status/1918820192777589198

This certainly could go many ways. Her first meeting with Carney reported just a day ago was "positive". This might just be a new fabricated distraction however, for the fact that Alberta still lacks a permanent chief medical officer.

 

[Jarnhamar]

But is he the best person to run against Mark Carney for PM in a few years? He was probably the best person to run against Trudeau. I don’t personally believe he’s the best the CPC can choose to run against Carney, and that’s the choice they need to make.

In a few years? No.

He's damaged goods. The CPC will need an all-star celebrity to challenge Carney.

 

[brihard]

In a few years? No.

He's damaged goods. The CPC will need an all-star celebrity to challenge Carney.

That’s similar to my opinion. He blew the best chance he was ever going to get; he was not the man for the moment either locally or nationally. He’s served honourably in Parliament and I guess will continue to do so. I respect that. He does not appear to be what Canadians want as a PM.

I don’t think the CPC need an ‘all-star celebrity’ to challenge Carney. I think they need someone very accomplished, competent, and credible in some key part of governing a country, running an economy, or engaging in diplomacy. Someone with a really solid CV. That can absolutely come from within Parliament, but will probably require a candidate to have done some meaningful work outside of Parliament too. Poilievre falls painfully short there.

 

[Lumber]

I don't know guys, if I listen to the opinions of the plebes on Twitter and of the more enlightened/informed people on here, we are in for 2+ years of the continuing deterioration and further destruction of our country.and our economy. It will happen by the continued over spending on both social programs and the federal public service, by making our oil so expensive no one wants to buy it, by the stifling of any new investments or energy infrastructure, by the continued erosion of our fundamental right and freedoms including free speech, by the continued collapse of our cities thru the influx of dangerous criminals and drug addicted homeless people, of and by the continued erosion of our image in the international realm.

I guess we'll wait and see, but if even a portion of all that Carney is predicted to do (by the above mentioned) comes to pass, then just about anyone the CPC puts forward should be able to best Carney.

 

[brihard]

I don't know guys, if I listen to the opinions of the plebes on Twitter and of the more enlightened/informed people on here, we are in for 2+ years of the continuing deterioration and further destruction of our country.and our economy. It will happen by the continued over spending on both social programs and the federal public service, by making our oil so expensive no one wants to buy it, by the stifling of any new investments or energy infrastructure, by the continued erosion of our fundamental right and freedoms including free speech, by the continued collapse of our cities thru the influx of dangerous criminals and drug addicted homeless people, of and by the continued erosion of our image in the international realm.

I guess we'll wait and see, but if even a portion of all that Carney is predicted to do (by the above mentioned) comes to pass, then just about anyone the CPC puts forward should be able to best Carney.

Oil prices are a legitimate concern, but from the other side of the table… OPEC’s increasing production and declining to prop prices up by restricting it. That’s not good news for Western Canadian Select which is more expensive to produce. Fortunately some refineries are set up only for WCS and cannot reasonably substitute, but prices will still decline somewhat.

 

[MilEME09]

Alberta NDP start to distance them selves from their federal counterpart. Likely to distance smthem selves from federal NDP policies and their leader.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-ndp-automatic-membership-convention-1.7526027

 

[Jarnhamar]

and of the more enlightened/informed people on here

 

[Blackadder1916]

I find interesting this passage in the article on Alberta's independence rally:

"In March, Smith threatened a “national unity crisis” if the next prime minister doesn’t acquiesce to a list of her demands within six months, but reiterated this week that she supports a sovereign Alberta within a united Canada."

I think I've seen that somewhere before. Ah! Yes! It was "souverainete-association", and IIRC, the rest of the country said "F.U.: you split or you stay - but not both."
. . .

No Alberta government (or political movement) has ever ignored the opportunity to paint themselves as standing against Eastern Canada even when some of the aims align. Premier Smith is particularly adept experienced at trying to suck and blow at the same time. There is a small, yet vocal, element to the conservative base that lean to the independence/separation option and are/were significant in consolidation of the right in Alberta and Smith gaining leadership of the UCP. It is interesting that some of that base has parted ways with how the UCP government is performing.

Well-known conservative operative quits Alberta’s UCP, says party is ‘allergic to transparency’ | Globalnews.ca

Cameron Davies had been a key player in the Wildrose Party before its members merged with members of the Progressive Conservative Party of Alberta to form the UCP.

globalnews.ca

A longtime behind-the-scenes member of Alberta’s conservative community says he is parting ways with the United Conservative Party (UCP) because he believes it has become “bloated, dishonest and corrupted by entitlement.”

“Today, I am resigning my membership in the United Conservative Party,” Cameron Davies wrote in an open letter posted to social media on Thursday.

“Let me be clear: this is no longer the party I helped build.”

Davies had also been a key player in the Wildrose Party before its members merged with members of the Progressive Conservative Party of Alberta (PC) to form the UCP. He also spent time as co-campaign manager for Jeff Callaway in the 2017 UCP leadership race. . . .

Davies was recently (the day after the federal election) named as leader of the "Republican Party of Alberta" (RPA). The RPA was previously named the Buffalo Party of Alberta but changed its name in early February. In the past five days I've received five robo-calls from these numpties.

But it is not only the conservative spectrum of politics in Alberta that is adjusting.

Alberta NDP votes to allow opting out of federal party membership

Alberta’s New Democratic Party has voted overwhelmingly to cut traditional membership ties with its federal counterpart.

www.ctvnews.ca

Alberta’s New Democratic Party has voted overwhelmingly to cut traditional membership ties with its federal counterpart.

Delegates in Edmonton voted Saturday to allow provincial members to opt out of joining the federal NDP, a move Leader Naheed Nenshi campaigned on last year.

In adopting the measure, the party is shedding what many considered a political albatross.

Nenshi told reporters the party’s longtime practice of automatically signing up members to the federal party was a sticking point that scared some potential voters and members away.

The change, he said, will allow his NDP to build a bigger tent.

“It’s a great movement for the very, very many thousands and thousands of Albertans who really like what the Alberta NDP have to say, but don’t necessarily agree with the federal party — and this now gives them that choice," he said.

“We will welcome those people into our movement. While you’ll still have the option of joining the federal New Democrats, if you join the provincial New Democrats, you don’t have to,” he said.

Nenshi said his NDP is financially independent and dictates its own policy, but party candidates spoke out, saying they needed a better answer when voters at the door tied them to the federal party’s positions during the 2023 provincial election.

The membership practice has long been a target for the governing United Conservatives, who say Nenshi’s party answers to political masters in Ottawa that don’t support Alberta’s oil and gas industry.

Premier Danielle Smith, speaking in the legislature Thursday, said the weekend vote suggested Nenshi’s party wants to distance itself from a “damaged brand” after the federal NDP lost 17 seats and its official party status in Monday’s election.

Nenshi, like some members who spoke up Saturday, remains skeptical the policy change will shield the Alberta NDP from what they called disingenuous attacks.

“The premier treats Albertans with contempt. She takes us all for fools. She thinks that we’ll fall for the most obvious lies, and I believe that Albertans are so much smarter than that,” he said.

Saturday’s vote required more than two-thirds approval from delegates, and in a show of hands, some two or three dozen delegates in a crowd of more than 1,000 stood firmly against the move.

Some warned that allowing those who don’t share New Democrat values into the fold spells trouble, and that it could divide the political movement across the country.

Nenshi disagreed, saying the decision is ultimately unifying.

“It’s saying to everyone, ‘look, you’re welcome here’.”

In his first leadership review, Nenshi received 89.5 per cent support, a bump up from the 86 per cent he secured in the first ballot of the party’s leadership contest to replace Rachel Notley last June.

Saturday’s policy shift also represents a rejection of Notley’s allegiance to the federal brand. Last year, Notley called dissociating short-sighted and superficial.

But some of the loudest applause Saturday came when Nenshi got patriotic.

In a speech ahead of the vote, he asked the crowd of supporters whether Smith is a separatist, and the answer was a resounding yes.

Meanwhile on Saturday, hundreds of supporters who want the province to secede from Canada gathered at the Alberta legislature grounds, with some saying the fire was lit when the Liberals’ won a fourth consecutive federal win earlier this week.

It comes after Smith’s government introduced legislation early this week that would lower the threshold for citizens to call for a referendum on Alberta’s place in Canada, sparking a vocal tide of organizers pushing for a petition.

Premier Smith has said she supports a sovereign Alberta within a United Canada, and Albertans can petition for any ballot question they please.

A growing group of Indigenous leaders have warned talk of separatism risks violating treaties, and some have accused Smith of attempting to manufacture a national unity crisis by enabling a referendum, and fanatics.

Nenshi said Smith is dragging Alberta away from the rest of the country to feed their “extremist fringe agenda,” and addressed her directly.

“Stop pretending that it’s just a citizen-initiated process and you’re just standing around watching,” he said in a mocking tone during his convention speech.

“I will be damned if I, if we, ever let Danielle Smith tear (this) country down,” he said to a wave of cheers.

 

[YZT580]

In a few years? No.

He's damaged goods. The CPC will need an all-star celebrity to challenge Carney.

or Carney will be revealed as the Emperor with no clothes in the same manner as Trudeau. With his history since January do you really think he can go 4 years without being caught out again and again and again as a liar.

 

[MilEME09]

or Carney will be revealed as the Emperor with no clothes in the same manner as Trudeau. With his history since January do you really think he can go 4 years without being caught out again and again and again as a liar.

Many of his "lies" have been ore half truths or people reading between lines and declaring it's a lie. Yet the same people calling out Carneys lies were eating up every half truth or misinformation the CPC said about it self.

 

[Lumber]

I actually meant that honestly, not as a sarcastic dig.

 

[Lumber]

or Carney will be revealed as the Emperor with no clothes in the same manner as Trudeau. With his history since January do you really think he can go 4 years without being caught out again and again and again as a liar.

Case in point...