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Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

My prediction? Typical Liberals (and these guys are no different as we see now), defence spending beyond pay and benefit increases will be the first sacrificed at the altar of political expediency
And you don't think that the Conservatives under PP would not? I could easily, easily see PP building only the first 3 Rivers and then pivoting to 12 CDC's and saying, "yup, these 15 ships represent a straight 'one for one' replacement of the 3 IRO and the 12 HAL's" in order to 'save' billions in spending.
 
And you don't think that the Conservatives under PP would not? I could easily, easily see PP building only the first 3 Rivers and then pivoting to 12 CDC's and saying, "yup, these 15 ships represent a straight 'one for one' replacement of the 3 IRO and the 12 HAL's" in order to 'save' billions in spending.

What has he said or done to make you believe this would be his chosen COA for the RCN ?
 
How do you know that those very programmes are not under review?
Great question. As a tax payer we should know whether those programs are under review. Nothing I've seen in online research indicates any of them are under review, let alone dropped.

The examples that you've sited were all put in place under the previous Fed govt, not the current one, correct?
The LPC doesn't get a pass because there's a new boss. Toxic units in the CAF don't change all of a sudden because there's a new CO. Political parties are the same way. The bureaucratic red tape and lack of transparency our consecutive govermnets have surrounded themselves with over the last 40 years like a suit of armor hasn't changed.

Maybe wait to the new Federal budget in the next 5-7 weeks and see if these still exist.
What happens if they do exist?

Nothing.

Lastly, there is a definite, strategic, long term need for Canada to maintain some sort of 'flag waving' initiative within Africa. It is the fast growing continent in terms of population growth and a leading one for economic growth.
Dumping a billion dollars into gender based mumbo jumbo where the money and money trail immediately dissappears isn't going to make Canada relevant in Africa. Canadians need that money more.
 
Drive to reduce spending and the need to deliver on tax cuts.

Here is a good summation of each partys stance in the last election. I don't see anything that would lead me to believe that. In fact I would say the CPC would be more apt to cut social and foreign spending.

Having said that we are all entitled to our opinions.



The LPC doesn't get a pass because there's a new boss. Toxic units in the CAF don't change all of a sudden because there's a new CO. Political parties are the same way. The bureaucratic red tape and lack of transparency our consecutive govermnets have surrounded themselves with over the last 40 years like a suit of armor hasn't changed.

Its the same Gov, it just has a new face and less fancy socks. Some people are just more inclined to forgive and forget is all.
 
Great question. As a tax payer we should know whether those programs are under review. Nothing I've seen in online research indicates any of them are under review, let alone dropped.


The LPC doesn't get a pass because there's a new boss. Toxic units in the CAF don't change all of a sudden because there's a new CO. Political parties are the same way. The bureaucratic red tape and lack of transparency our consecutive govermnets have surrounded themselves with over the last 40 years like a suit of armor hasn't changed.


What happens if they do exist?

Nothing.


Dumping a billion dollars into gender based mumbo jumbo where the money and money trail immediately dissappears isn't going to make Canada relevant in Africa. Canadians need that money more.
I guess my reading comprehension is different than yours. I didn't see a billion dollars being allocated only and specifically into 'gender based mumbo jumbo'.

It's listed as specific deliverables, correct, but its not listed as the only deliverable, do we know have much was actually allocated in terms of total dollars and cents based on the info you provided?

And in the case of allocating money towards something like gendered based medical facilities, if this is used to reduce the amount of female genital mutilation that occurs in parts of Africa, then this is money well spent in my opinion.

For the removing of 'toxic' bosses, which current Cabinet Minister is in the same portfolio today that they were in back in January of 2025? Are there any? Cabinet Ministers rely on their senior civil servants for direction and insight on the daily day to day issues facing their portfolio, so maybe there is a need to remove some of these senior civil servants?
 
The Harper government cut a whole bunch of nickel-and-dime shit, and the Trudeau government turned a whole bunch of it back on. The small amounts add up. All that stuff is still there to be cut, and only requires that government ignore the whining of the snouts in the troughs.

If the Carney government can't cut all that shit again, I can only assume no Liberal-led government can and extend that assumption to cover the NDP and Bloc based on their general propensities. And that will in turn mean some sort of substantial up-ending of the way things are will be necessary to effect desirable and useful change. And doubtless when that happens, there will be many wringing their hands and lamenting "no, no, no; we can't do things this way". But they will have had their chance; they're having it right now.
 
Its the same Gov, it just has a new face and less fancy socks. Some people are just more inclined to forgive and forget is all.
I'll humbly admit PM Carney is doing better than I thought he would, and I think better in a lot of areas than Poilievre would have did. It's still the same government with the same entitled politicians and bureaucrats that got used to getting what they wanted with little to no transparency over the last 11 years.

We got a public safety minister who cant talk to certain groups because of his ties to terrorist organizations Crime is spiraling out of control in Canada. PM Carneys pick for minister is the same guy who did such an amazing job at running Housing and Immigration 🙄

Based on what? The process needs to be used or not used. We don’t need to invent a shit show like the US did.
Bringing up ArriveCan is beating a dead horse but it's a perfect example of Canada's failure with oversight. We're a submarine with a screen door. Theres example after example of the government screwing up procurement, screwing up hiring, not vetting people, wasting millions and billions of dollars.

There's a bias when anything related to Trump gets brought up. It's optics, like that Toronto chief's advice about home invasions or even someone bringing up experiments Nazis did with hypothermia or high-altitude and decompression studies.

A bunch of armed DOGE agents bursting into buildings seizing records is obviously dumb. But whatever process we have now clearly doesn't work. We have terrible oversight and transparency at all levels of our government. We need a mature and responsible "outside the CoC" organization with no political connections to investigate and hold the government accountable to the parliament.

1. SNC-Lavalin Obstruction of Justice Investigation (2019)

During the RCMP’s probe into whether cabinet-level interference occurred in the prosecution of SNC-Lavalin, the federal Liberal government refused to waive cabinet confidentiality, hindering investigators from accessing key documents or witness testimonies. This refusal stalled the RCMP’s efforts.


2. “Green Slush Fund” / SDTC Documents (2024)

In October 2024, Parliament ordered the Liberal government to provide documents related to Sustainable Development Technology Canada (SDTC), often referred to by critics as the "green slush fund."

Despite a ruling by Speaker Greg Fergus, the government either withheld or heavily redacted documents and refused to transfer them to the RCMP, claiming legal concerns. This led to gridlock in the House of Commons, with business grinding to a halt.


3. Mass Casualty Commission / Nova Scotia Shootings (2020)

After Canada’s worst mass shooting, the RCMP withheld key investigative details, including weapon descriptions, citing that releasing them would jeopardize the integrity of the investigation. Internal notes also suggest political pressure played a role, with Commissioner Brenda Lucki reportedly promising the Prime Minister’s Office the information would be released in tension with other senior officers’ objections.

That's government related and not to do with tax dollars being spent but it still speaks to transparency and efficacy.
 
I'll humbly admit PM Carney is doing better than I thought he would, and I think better in a lot of areas


Bringing up ArriveCan is beating a dead horse but it's a perfect example of Canada's failure with oversight. We're a submarine with a screen door. Theres example after example of the government screwing up procurement, screwing up hiring, not vetting people, wasting millions and billions of dollars.
That has nothing to go with what you were proposing. DOGE wasn’t an oversight organisation.
There's a bias when anything related to Trump gets brought up. It's optics, like that Toronto chief's advice about home invasions or even someone bringing up experiments Nazis did with hypothermia or high-altitude and decompression studies.
No. DOGE was a failure. By all accounts and metrics it failed and it’s why no one talks about it anymore.
A bunch of armed DOGE agents bursting into buildings seizing records is obviously dumb. But whatever process we have now clearly doesn't work. We have terrible oversight and transparency at all levels of our government. We need a mature and responsible "outside the CoC" organization with no political connections to investigate and hold the government accountable to the parliament.
No we don’t. We have systems for finding efficiencies. It just needs to be used and enforced.

We have outside the COC orgs. We don’t need more.

The system does work and has worked.
 
It's listed as specific deliverables, correct, but its not listed as the only deliverable, do we know have much was actually allocated in terms of total dollars and cents based on the info you provided?
There's a GAC project browser budgets partners and results. Much of the "proof" comes from UN reports. Kind of like how UNRWA reports on all that money and construction materials getting to Palestinians to help them build their homes.
And in the case of allocating money towards something like gendered based medical facilities, if this is used to reduce the amount of female genital mutilation that occurs in parts of Africa, then this is money well spent in my opinion
As a tax payer, worrying about female genital mutilation in Africa and supporting them with Canadian dollars is certainly your right.

I hope your good nature isn't getting taken advantage of.


For the removing of 'toxic' bosses, which current Cabinet Minister is in the same portfolio today that they were in back in January of 2025? Are there any?
I'm not sure. Do you think our current Justice Minister and Public Safety Minister are solid choices?
 
That has nothing to go with what you were proposing. DOGE wasn’t an oversight organisation.

No. DOGE was a failure. By all accounts and metrics it failed and it’s why no one talks about it anymore.

No we don’t. We have systems for finding efficiencies. It just needs to be used and enforced.

We have outside the COC orgs. We don’t need more.

The system does work and has worked.

The solution to bureaucracy is rarely to create more, new organizations.
 
How do you know that those very programmes are not under review?

The examples that you've sited were all put in place under the previous Fed govt, not the current one, correct?

Maybe wait to the new Federal budget in the next 5-7 weeks and see if these still exist.

Lastly, there is a definite, strategic, long term need for Canada to maintain some sort of 'flag waving' initiative within Africa. It is the fast growing continent in terms of population growth and a leading one for economic growth. With the US throwing in the towel and giving China an almost cart blanche opportunity to dominate foreign influence in that continent, it is in our best medium to long term planning to continue to be present there. I am not necessarily agreeing with where or how previously the money/effort was being spent but I am wholeheartedly in support in a continued and hopefully growing, presence for Canada in Africa. I do not suffer from the insular, inward looking approach that many Conservatives do today.
do you really believe that, in Africa, they pay any attention to our initiatives. Perhaps sending a dozen well drilling rigs and people to run them would have a greater effect and benefit those ladies a whole lot more. Having been in several of those countries and watched as they walked miles in some cases carrying a 5 gal. jug of water I can verify that they could care less about our efforts. You would be better to give the money to any of the major mission boards who have people on the ground and are desperate for funding to improve education and make it available because the boys don't get much past grade 5 either
 
That has nothing to go with what you were proposing. DOGE wasn’t an oversight organisation.

No. DOGE was a failure. By all accounts and metrics it failed and it’s why no one talks about it anymore.
Okay. We need an organization to catch and curb inefficiency with our government including how it does business with contractors.

No we don’t. We have systems for finding efficiencies. It just needs to be used and enforced.
Why isn't it being used and enforced?

We have outside the COC orgs. We don’t need more.

The system does work and has worked.

I don't see it my friend.

Phoenix Pay System (A conservative initiative originally)
Original budget was $309 million. Costs escalated to $954 million, with projections suggesting total costs could reach $2.2 billion by 2023.

SDTC
Awarded $59 million to 10 projects that were ineligible for funding and had frequently overstated their projects' benefits. Only reason it was discovered was a whistleblower.

COVID
25% of Canada's total COVID-19 spending, approximately $89.9 billion, was wasted due to inefficiencies and mismanagement.

ArriveCan
One of hundreds of projects.
$80,000 turns into $60 million? (ironically its estimated to be even more but the governments shitty record keeping cant track the true cost).

Not even a dollar has been returned.

In June 2025, the House of Commons passed a motion demanding the return of $64.5 million paid to GC Strategies, the primary contractor behind the app. The Auditor General's report revealed that there was no evidence of work performed for this payment, leading to calls for accountability and the recovery of taxpayer money .

The motion gives the government 100 days to return the funds. The government could jave made $16 million dollars on interest with that money.

$76 million dollars wasted on 1 project.

Finally it was the CPC and NDP who brought up this issue in the house of Commons. It wasn't a system whose mandate is to safeguard against this kind of stuff.
It's also a good example of why the parliament shouldn't rise for 10 months.
 
Okay. We need an organization to catch and curb inefficiency with our government including how it does business with contractors.
That isn’t what DOGE does. I think you are confusing what DOGE was created for vs what you are asking in terms of oversight.
Why isn't it being used and enforced?
We are undergoing a massive efficiency exercise as we speak. The government of the day needs to decide that. Not create something new to do it.
I don't see it my friend.

Phoenix Pay System (A conservative initiative originally)
Original budget was $309 million. Costs escalated to $954 million, with projections suggesting total costs could reach $2.2 billion by 2023.
Yes and how did that get identified as a problem?
SDTC
Awarded $59 million to 10 projects that were ineligible for funding and had frequently overstated their projects' benefits. Only reason it was discovered was a whistleblower.
Right. And how would that have been done?
COVID
25% of Canada's total COVID-19 spending, approximately $89.9 billion, was wasted due to inefficiencies and mismanagement.
Was also a risk management exercise that blatantly said they were going skip over the normal process.
ArriveCan
One of hundreds of projects.
$80,000 turns into $60 million? (ironically its estimated to be even more but the governments shitty record keeping cant track the true cost).
Again how was that discovered?
Not even a dollar has been returned.

In June 2025, the House of Commons passed a motion demanding the return of $64.5 million paid to GC Strategies, the primary contractor behind the app. The Auditor General's report revealed that there was no evidence of work performed for this payment, leading to calls for accountability and the recovery of taxpayer money .
Auditor General. Exactly. One of the many offices that do exactly what you are asking.
The motion gives the government 100 days to return the funds. The government could jave made $16 million dollars on interest with that money.

$76 million dollars wasted on 1 project.

Finally it was the CPC and NDP who brought up this issue in the house of Commons. It wasn't a system whose mandate is to safeguard against this kind of stuff.
It's also a good example of why the parliament shouldn't rise for 10 months.
Yes, it’s the opposition’s job to do that. Based on info that came from the various reports from those orgs that do things like audits and reports. You are proving my point.

The fact that you listed a pile of foreign aid spending proves that transparency exists. You can read it right there.

Whether we have value for money is determined by orgs like the AG, PBO etc etc.
 
Okay. We need an organization to catch and curb inefficiency with our government including how it does business with contractors.


Why isn't it being used and enforced?



I don't see it my friend.

Phoenix Pay System (A conservative initiative originally)
Original budget was $309 million. Costs escalated to $954 million, with projections suggesting total costs could reach $2.2 billion by 2023.

SDTC
Awarded $59 million to 10 projects that were ineligible for funding and had frequently overstated their projects' benefits. Only reason it was discovered was a whistleblower.

COVID
25% of Canada's total COVID-19 spending, approximately $89.9 billion, was wasted due to inefficiencies and mismanagement.

ArriveCan
One of hundreds of projects.
$80,000 turns into $60 million? (ironically its estimated to be even more but the governments shitty record keeping cant track the true cost).

Not even a dollar has been returned.

In June 2025, the House of Commons passed a motion demanding the return of $64.5 million paid to GC Strategies, the primary contractor behind the app. The Auditor General's report revealed that there was no evidence of work performed for this payment, leading to calls for accountability and the recovery of taxpayer money .

The motion gives the government 100 days to return the funds. The government could jave made $16 million dollars on interest with that money.

$76 million dollars wasted on 1 project.

Finally it was the CPC and NDP who brought up this issue in the house of Commons. It wasn't a system whose mandate is to safeguard against this kind of stuff.
It's also a good example of why the parliament shouldn't rise for 10 months.
I think you are under some naive assumption that if we just had "proper oversight" and enforcement mechanisms that we wouldn't have cases like you listed above.

That's poppycock. Government will always waste, squander, misspend, and sometime downright embezzle, no matter how robust and well intentioned its oversight mechanisms are.

We're just lucky that unlike many countries we are able to see it happen.
 
That isn’t what DOGE does. I think you are confusing what DOGE was created for vs what you are asking in terms of oversight.
Very possible.
I'm mixing oversight and efficiency. I'm not set on a DOGE model; I'm set on improving efficiency and waste.

We are undergoing a massive efficiency exercise as we speak. The government of the day needs to decide that. Not create something new to do it.
Would you say we improved since 2015?

On October 19, 2015, the newly elected Liberal Government promised an “Open, transparent, and accountable government”. They promised to reduce bureaucratic inefficiencies and increase citizen access to information.

What makes the new massive efficiency promise different from the last 11 years of promises?
Yes and how did that get identified as a problem?
Opposition parties. It's great they caught it but I don't think we should rely on them as being non partisan. I don't trust the CPC to report on something where they're guilty too.

Plus, the parliament, where this was reported, recently wasn't sitting for 10 months. That isn't an efficient reporting system.

Right. And how would that have been done?
We can't count on whistleblowers as a primary means of oversight and reporting.

Was also a risk management exercise that blatantly said they were going skip over the normal process.
It still exposed massive inefficiencies in the government. Inefficiencies the government promised to fix 5 years prior.

Again how was that discovered?
Auditor General. Exactly. One of the many offices that do exactly what you are asking.
The Auditor General didnt discover it. The opposition did and reported it. Again, it's great they did but opposition parties arent non-partisan. They're going to report on violations where their hands are clean.

The fact that you listed a pile of foreign aid spending proves that transparency exists. You can read it right there.
My contention there is the risk of the money being stolen or misappropriated.
Gaza is a glaring example of the UN and NGOs short comings.
We're patting ourselves on the back for sending 200 million dollars to countries Africa with shoddy at best proof it's going to intended victims and not into the hands of warlords.

A never-ending story: More Canadian foreign aid money lost to corruption, this time in Kenya


Dated but relevant.


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