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Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

I'm sitting waiting for the Reporter - US or a European - who asks Trump what the US response would be if 3 Russian jets entered US airspace for 12 mins.....
Why bother? I'll sum it up.

"If Russia did that...Russia would never do that. I have a great relationship with Putin. You know why? I'm strong. Putin respects strength. You know why this happened? Because of this guy, sleepy Joe, was asleep at the wheel. This is his conflict. I'm just here....listen, I end wars. I've ended 20 wars already. And I think that question was very disrespectful. Very nasty. You're a perfect example of why your network is failing. Very nasty people. Next question."
 
It's a curious thing that the Europeans, let alone other countries, at no point in the years since WWII seem to be responsible for their own choices to acquiesce to whatever model of the world people imagined the US desired.
 
America right now is trying to suck and blow at the same time. They want to be less depended on for hard power, while still expecting to have the same soft power. That's not how it works in the real world...

Maybe they see it like paying into a retirement fund.

They spent 30 (80?) years paying into the fund. Now they want to sit back and enjoy some returns.

You don't keep paying into your pension after you retire.
 
Sure.

But then you have Poland. Poland spends more per capita on their military than the USA. One of the biggest militaries in Europe.

The USA won't commit to defend them either. So what, Poland pays the price because Spain and Canada aren't meeting their defense spending?

That's the problem. There is no making sense of the US administration. They won't defend those who don't meet defense spending. Okay, fair. They also won't defend those that DO meet defense spending...So meet defense spending or don't? Who knows? Nobody knows.

So what is NATO?

Defense for all?

Defense for some?

Defense for those who meet the 2 percent?

Defense for none?

All signs are starting to point to the last one, which invalidates the whole "You can't be a member of NATO, run your military into the ground are not a great contributor to deterrence, then bitch nobody wants to help you anymore. "

I don't know what the answer is. But the do-nothing-except-ask-politely ship has fully sailed.
 
I don't know what the answer is. But the do-nothing-except-ask-politely ship has fully sailed.
I agree. Nobody knows what the answer is.

If the US administration had a new, clear, policy in place of the previous unambiguous defense for all, no ifs ands or buts, I don't think there is nearly as much chaos. The shrug followed by I guess it's this now but I may be wrong currently going on is the problem.
 
I haven't pissed off anyone today so here we go....

It seems Liberal Ministers Gary Anandasangaree and Sean Fraser are trying to circle the wagons and defend the the ticking bomb that is the Liberals gun "buy back" program.

Gary being caught on recording it political and not practical (more or less).

 
I haven't pissed off anyone today so here we go....

It seems Liberal Ministers Gary Anandasangaree and Sean Fraser are trying to circle the wagons and defend the the ticking bomb that is the Liberals gun "buy back" program.

Gary being caught on recording it political and not practical (more or less).


Already being talked about in this thread:

 
And then we have Sean Baker commenting on how PM MC vast travel around the globe and signing agreements to discuss things in the future (WTF? So no actual deals) and expensive photo ops.

While ducking trying to settle a deal with Trump (which still remains our largest trading partner) or staying in the HoC to answer questions on his failures. yes, Liberals, I said failures. Ohhhh but its only been six months. And then in another six months? The Liberal ship is sinking faster this time than it did before and no "Trump" factor is going to save it this time. Results matter.

Deeds not words.

 
And then we have Sean Baker commenting on how PM MC vast travel around the globe and signing agreements to discuss things in the future (WTF? So no actual deals) and expensive photo ops.

While ducking trying to settle a deal with Trump (which still remains our largest trading partner) or staying in the HoC to answer questions on his failures. yes, Liberals, I said failures. Ohhhh but its only been six months. And then in another six months? The Liberal ship is sinking faster this time than it did before and no "Trump" factor is going to save it this time. Results matter.

Deeds not words.

Fun facts.

NAFTA-3 years.

CETA-7 years.

TPP-7 years.

Those are how long it took to negotiate those trade deals.

Another fun fact. Most started as agreements to talk further in the future about closer ties.

Another fun fact. Trump has signed 0 free trade deals.(In his second term)
 
Fun facts.

NAFTA-3 years.

CETA-7 years.

TPP-7 years.

Those are how long it took to negotiate those trade deals.

Another fun fact. Most started as agreements to talk further in the future about closer ties.

Another fun fact. Trump has signed 0 free trade deals.(In his second term)
And? The Liberal ship is sinking. Keep defending them though.
 
So all the "we have to act now" will, as many predicted, fall victim to "well, these things take time". So much for a sense of urgency and purpose and all the related promises which assumed it.

Much that will take longer than Trump's term to effectuate should probably be suspended and favour given to whatever passes for re-normalizing relationships with the US. Trade with the US is still going to have a lot of economic advantages.
 
And? The Liberal ship is sinking. Keep defending them though.
Your persistence complaints about how Canada doesn't have a trade deal with the USA doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

The USA, Trump, has signed exactly zero free trade agreements with any nation.(In his second term) He has signed high tariff deals with some nations, but even then, the Japan deal has collapsed, and the EU one is collapsing as trump pushes more tariffs their way.

Then add to that, trade deals take time. Believe it or not, one cannot just say 90 deals on 90 days and have that actually come to any meaningful outcome. Trade deals take years to organize, have a lot of moving parts and have a lot of people and leaders doing years of groundwork, all of which you rail against.

Carney hasn't signed a deal yet you bemoan, yet ignore that he's doing things the conventional way. TPP started as a agreement to discuss things in the future. CETA started as an agreement to discuss things in the future. They materialized into actual, functional, trade deals, ratified by nations and their parliaments, not handshake nonbinding nonsense that Trump has signed that has the legal weight of something written on soggy paper towel.

So you may continue to criticize Carney for not having immediate results like he's a superhuman, I'll continue to remark that he's going about creating deals the way deals have been done, successfully, for decades.
 
So all the "we have to act now" will, as many predicted, fall victim to "well, these things take time". So much for a sense of urgency and purpose and all the related promises which assumed it.
I laugh at this line of thinking. Like somehow we have to act now is mutually exclusive from these things take time.

If I needed to start fighting cancer, I would need to start now despite treatment of cancer taking some time.

If I needed to save up a million dollars, I would need to start now, despite that taking me some time to do.

The allies needed to start fighting back against Germany in the world wars, despite victory being some ways in the future.

Canada has started now, because the situation is urgent, but the results are not going to be immediate.
Much that will take longer than Trump's term to effectuate should probably be suspended and favour given to whatever passes for re-normalizing relationships with the US. Trade with the US is still going to have a lot of economic advantages.
If the USA wanted to trade more under fair circumstances there would be no issue.

Its the fact that they want to trade with us less, and the trade that does exist to be as lopsided in their direction as humanly possible that has sparked this consternation.

We don't get a say in how they want to act. We only have a say in how we respond.
 
So you may continue to criticize Carney for not having immediate results like he's a superhuman,
PM MC was given a golden gift (via the beware of Trump campaign) last spring, and frankly he has squandered it very badly. You skip over the gross failures (or you can't see them, blinding yourself deliberately).

He was going to build baby build (stealing Trump's slogan with a twist) and at speeds never before seen (Snail?). He promised to control government overspending. He promised to manage immigration (The Liberals themselves admitted last fall it got away from them).

So what does he do? Taske the summer off for the BBQ circuit (yeah its "working" but not really) when we are "in the crisis of our lifetime". He jets around the globe burning more fuel than small nations do annually, to sign "agreements to discuss options" types of agreements. Meanwhile the USA is still our largest international trading partner (and is forecasted to remain as such).

The truth is, Liberals avoid parliament being in session because they make total fools of themselves.

The Five nation building projects he unveiled this month? Ohhh please. All well underway and with Trudeau Liberals blessing. Nice try.

The scam house they had built in his riding for a press conference? That was hilarious. They moved it away the next day.

Now in the House of commons they are getting eaten alive in QP (it does have an effect, where do you think all the knife wounds for Trudeau's political career came from?).

And with a budget predicted to be surpassing $100 Billion deficit, yes deficit, doesn't matter what is capital cost or operating cost (I am a businessman, I know the difference), it still DEBT growth. That our great grandchildren will be stuck paying at this rate.

The die hard Liberals like yourself are an amusing bunch. You don't realize when yor party is sinking and defend the ship at all cost. When Erin O'Toole was leader, I gave up defending him because he was soft and less committed (and very not clear on what the CPC stood for), chat around party campfires is pretty much this.

Lets rewind the clock, what should PM MC have done? I will pretend to be a mind controller and this is what I would have him do
-Ditch more of the Trudeau acolytes. Get NEW talent on for ministers.
-Keep parliament working until at least Canada Day (They should be back in their ridings for then)
-Recall parliament late July (They had months and months away, they needed to be in, moving bills forward and being held to account)
-REPEAL bill C69 FFS (way overdue) and the west coast tanker ban
-Hit the LNG, oil and gas industries with huge talks (get them going at "speeds not seen before")
-Really commit to defence spending (WTF is decarbonizing the military? Its pure BS)
-Repeal or replace Bill C75 (the bail for all monsters bill)
-Crack down for real on Fentanyl
-Crack down on illegal guns
-Accelerate CUSMA talks with both USA and Mexico (through in the other non CUSMA items)
-One way or another, work on a better deal with the USA
-Get a grip on Immigration immediately
-CUT off all media funding
-Get parliament again to vote on recognizing Palestine instead of doing so unilaterally
-Cut the federal government workforce by 20% (less coast guard, CAF and the RCMP) Just do it.

With a sitting parliament through out the summer, he could have done most of these things. I guarantee he would be looking at a majority government in the next election had he done these things. I didn't even bring up food cost or housing.

Results will matter. I predict without another rabbit in the hat (Like Trump), the Carney Liberals will go down fast. Lets see how the next couple of months unfold.
 
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