Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[Remius]

Deeds not words.

Loved that movie as a kid. Mega Force motto.

 

[Halifax Tar]

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Loved that movie as a kid. Mega Force motto.

Also the motto of the Suffragettes and JTF2.

 

[Altair]

Didn't this LPC Gov and Carney pledge to have a trade deal by XX date in the summer ?

If you're talking about the G7, Trump and Carney put a deadline to have a deal in place by July 16th or more tariffs.

No quite we will have a deal done by then, more of this is the deadline to get a deal done.

Language is a funny thing.

 

[Brad Sallows]

I laugh at this line of thinking. Like somehow we have to act now is mutually exclusive from these things take time.

Of course they take time. The point is that the political sale made and the excuses for precipitous - sometimes illiberal - proposals and legislation were to do them practically immediately.

The other laugh is that any of these things could have been set in motion before, but weren't, and the people who failed to act are perpetually whining about the catalyst that was needed. "We were complacent and arrogant and borderline useless to the interests of many of the people to whom we are theoretically responsible and someone upset the applecart and forced us to become useful mammals and we really hate that guy."

And they still can't stop themselves - "experts", they claim to be - from executing their technocratic ambitions incompetently and without the first item of importance being wetting the beaks of all the special interests who rush to the feeder.

 

[ArmyRick]

I laugh at this line of thinking.

Its ok, we all laugh at you.

Like somehow we have to act now is mutually exclusive from these things take time.

When the house is on fire, don't wait to act. Whats hards to understand about that? He did nothing

If I needed to start fighting cancer, I would need to start now despite treatment of cancer taking some time.

So if someone say has lung cancer and tey smoked 3 packs a day, yes chemo will take time but don't you think they would want to do what they can immediately? Do you even understand mitigating or damage control?

The allies needed to start fighting back against Germany in the world wars, despite victory being some ways in the future.

I wouldn't use that context. If EVERYONE jumped on right away and got at Germany hard, they could have ended the war much sooner, re-read your history.

Canada has started now, because the situation is urgent, but the results are not going to be immediate.

They have? Why didn't you tell us you are secretly an advisor to Carney? Otherwise what the hell has he done? He makes it look like he is doing something but so did my sons when they were toddlers and I asked them to clean their rooms.

If the USA wanted to trade more under fair circumstance

Trump has the economical, military and international reputation power over us BIG TIME, its best not to piss off the beast too much. Thats plain reality. Even Carney understood that elbows had to come down.

We don't get a say in how they want to act.

Your correct

We only have a say in how we respond.

Yup. When the bull is bucking and kicking, you can stay in the pen and get trampled or be smart and move out of the way. We aren't doing well staying in the pen of Trump.

 

[Halifax Tar]

If you're talking about the G7, Trump and Carney put a deadline to have a deal in place by July 16th or more tariffs.

No quite we will have a deal done by then, more of this is the deadline to get a deal done.

Language is a funny thing.

It sure is. Its very easily manipulated and interpreted depending on what you want to read.

 

[ArmyRick]

If you're talking about the G7, Trump and Carney put a deadline to have a deal in place by July 16th or more tariffs.

No quite we will have a deal done by then, more of this is the deadline to get a deal done.

Language is a funny thing.

As Warren Kinsella says "If your explaining, your losing".

Your doing a lot of explaining on Liberal failures

 

[ArmyRick]

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Loved that movie as a kid. Mega Force motto.

???

 

[Remius]

Also the motto of the Suffragettes and JTF2.

I make fun of a few guys I refer to as working for mega force.

Deeds not Words.

 

[IKnowNothing]

And with a budget predicted to be surpassing $100 Billion deficit, yes deficit, doesn't matter what is capital cost or operating cost (I am a businessman, I know the difference), it still DEBT growth. That our great grandchildren will be stuck paying at this rate.

"I know the difference" and "it doesn't matter still debt" are kiiiiinda contradictory statements, even from a basic personal finance standpoint, let alone business or public finance

 

[Halifax Tar]

I make fun of a few guys I refer to as working for mega force

Never head of it, until you posted that poster.

 

[ArmyRick]

"I know the difference" and "it doesn't matter still debt" are kiiiiinda contradictory statements, even from a basic personal finance standpoint, let alone business or public finance

Tax payer pays. The interest still balloons whether we blow it on fuel, pens or brand new buildings. Nothing contradictory there. Nice try.

 

[Remius]

Never head of it, until you posted that poster.

Under rated for its time. Missile bikes before chuck Norris made those popular

 

[ArmyRick]

Under rated for its time. Missile bikes before chuck Norris made those popular

Not underrated. Overshadowed by GI Joe.

 

[Remius]

Not underrated. Overshadowed by GI Joe.

Mad Max actually was released that summer.

If you like cheesy bad movies this one is a gem. A lot of references in Team America is from that movie and most people don’t have a clue.

 

[IKnowNothing]

Tax payer pays. The interest still balloons whether we blow it on fuel, pens or brand new buildings. Nothing contradictory there. Nice try.

Yes taxpayer pays.

No. They're fundamentally different things. You don't get to brazen your way out of objectively ignorant statements.

Debt for long lived infrastructure is not the same thing as debt to make up for operational shortfall. Investment in capital projects that increase future revenues is not the same thing as debt for vote buying schemes.

Carney is not swinging near a heavy enough axe on the operational side of things, but differentiating the two and establishing different and appropriate norms for their handling now and in the future is an objectively good thing for the fiscal discourse of this country Mr. Businessman.

 

[ArmyRick]

Yes taxpayer pays.

No. They're fundamentally different things. You don't get to brazen your way out of objectively ignorant statements.

Debt for long lived infrastructure is not the same thing as debt to make up for operational shortfall. Investment in capital projects that increase future revenues is not the same thing as debt for vote buying schemes.

Carney is not swinging near a heavy enough axe on the operational side of things, but differentiating the two and establishing different and appropriate norms for their handling now and in the future is an objectively good thing for the fiscal discourse of this country Mr. Businessman.

You can try to lecture me on this, don't, I own a business. I know the difference between paying for animal feed and making tractor payments.

Bottomline is this. Trudeau spent the cash big time. For ten years. Yay, Carney wants to build new ports, railways, etc. He needs more money to do it. Asking Taxpayers to fund it through BoC money printing (Its the only way at this point), we pay in the long run.

He wants these new shiny things? OPEN UP OIL AND GAS (UNLEASH IT) FFS. What is hard to understand about that? Then we can pay our debts down a lot more, have money for social programs and ta-da build new ports, railways, ships, whatever.

 

[ArmyRick]

Yes taxpayer pays.

No. They're fundamentally different things. You don't get to brazen your way out of objectively ignorant statements.

Debt for long lived infrastructure is not the same thing as debt to make up for operational shortfall. Investment in capital projects that increase future revenues is not the same thing as debt for vote buying schemes.

Carney is not swinging near a heavy enough axe on the operational side of things, but differentiating the two and establishing different and appropriate norms for their handling now and in the future is an objectively good thing for the fiscal discourse of this country Mr. Businessman.

$100 billion+ deficit will go down like a lead balloon with the Canadian business sector and most tax payers.

 

[Altair]

PM MC was given a golden gift (via the beware of Trump campaign) last spring, and frankly he has squandered it very badly. You skip over the gross failures (or you can't see them, blinding yourself deliberately).

Do you ever stop to think that your dislike of the LPC may be blinding your opinion?

Answer me this. If the LPC are doing so badly, why are they not being punished in the polls? Why does Carney have some of the highest approval ratings not only in Canada, but in the western world? You don't like him, granted, but is that your view or a widespread belief?

He was going to build baby build (stealing Trump's slogan with a twist) and at speeds never before seen (Snail?).

I will mostly ignore this. Danielle Smith is happy. Danielle. Smith. If you're more demanding than Danielle Smith...welll

He promised to control government overspending.

You complain about him building. You also complain about him spending. You want him to build things for free? Hmmmm. Sounds ridiculous.

He's investing in the CAF. You complain about spending. Is he supposed to fund the CAF for free? Also sounds ridiculous.

He promised to manage immigration (The Liberals themselves admitted last fall it got away from them).

Population growth is static this year. Big win. Huzzah!

So what does he do? Taske the summer off for the BBQ circuit (yeah its "working" but not really) when we are "in the crisis of our lifetime". He jets around the globe burning more fuel than small nations do annually, to sign "agreements to discuss options" types of agreements. Meanwhile the USA is still our largest international trading partner (and is forecasted to remain as such).

CETA was a deal that started as a agreement to discuss options.

TPP was a deal that started as a agreement to discuss options.

Turns out, every deal, worth anything, has to start somewhere.

The truth is, Liberals avoid parliament being in session because they make total fools of themselves.

Truth is...parliament has been back and I don't notice much difference other than politicians trying to make content in parliament that will play well in 30 seconds clips online.

The Five nation building projects he unveiled this month? Ohhh please. All well underway and with Trudeau Liberals blessing. Nice try.

You are a really impatient person I think. Danielle. Smith.

The scam house they had built in his riding for a press conference? That was hilarious. They moved it away the next day.

Kind of impressive and almost proves the concept.

Now in the House of commons they are getting eaten alive in QP (it does have an effect, where do you think all the knife wounds for Trudeau's political career came from?).

Probably his lack of movement on economic files while mismanaging the post pandemic immigration files, while suffering the anger the populace usually saddles those dealing with high inflation usually does. A lot of western leaders fell to the post inflation resentment of their populace. I don't think the average Canadian was like "we need Trudeau out because of question period"

And with a budget predicted to be surpassing $100 Billion deficit, yes deficit, doesn't matter what is capital cost or operating cost (I am a businessman, I know the difference), it still DEBT growth. That our great grandchildren will be stuck paying at this rate.

You want him to build, you want the CAF funded and you don't want him to spend money. I get it. Magic Marc.

The die hard Liberals like yourself are an amusing bunch. You don't realize when yor party is sinking and defend the ship at all cost. When Erin O'Toole was leader, I gave up defending him because he was soft and less committed (and very not clear on what the CPC stood for), chat around party campfires is pretty much this.

Show me the polls where he is sinking. He's sinking in your head. Nowhere else.

Lets rewind the clock, what should PM MC have done? I will pretend to be a mind controller and this is what I would have him do
-Ditch more of the Trudeau acolytes. Get NEW talent on for ministers.

Meh.

-Keep parliament working until at least Canada Day (They should be back in their ridings for then)

Don't see it doing very much.

-Recall parliament late July (They had months and months away, they needed to be in, moving bills forward and being held to account)

Would rather they take the time to do things right as opposed to doing things fast and doing it wrong.

Trudeau moved fast on the Labour crunch post pandemic and completely screwed the pooch on it.

-REPEAL bill C69 FFS (way overdue) and the west coast tanker ban

Meh.

-Hit the LNG, oil and gas industries with huge talks (get them going at "speeds not seen before")

Better to find markets for them and the infrastructure to get things to market before ramping gup production that ends up bottlenecked

-Really commit to defence spending (WTF is decarbonizing the military? Its pure BS)

But but but deficits!

-Repeal or replace Bill C75 (the bail for all monsters bill)

Bail reform is coming, and again, time to do it right is faster than doing it twice because you messed up the first time

-Crack down for real on Fentanyl
-Crack down on illegal guns

Yeah, sure. How exactly?

-Accelerate CUSMA talks with both USA and Mexico (through in the other non CUSMA items)

Takes 3 to tango. Well, not actually, but in this case it does.

-One way or another, work on a better deal with the USA

Point to a good deal anyone has signed with Trump in his second term that you want Canada to emulate. I'll wait.

-Get a grip on Immigration immediately

Population growth this year is stagnant. Already done.

-CUT off all media funding

So when the national post, or bell media, or global all collapse, and all our news comes from American and Russian content farms, you're going to be a happy camper?

For everyone saying cut media funding, find an alternative that keeps media in this country alive. I'll wait.

-Get parliament again to vote on recognizing Palestine instead of doing so unilaterally

Not actually a thing parliament needs to do, as explained before.

-Cut the federal government workforce by 20% (less coast guard, CAF and the RCMP) Just do it.

Meh. He promised in the election to do it via attrition. And maybe he doesn't fancy losing his Ottawa riding like another Albertan member of parliament.

With a sitting parliament through out the summer, he could have done most of these things. I guarantee he would be looking at a majority government in the next election had he done these things. I didn't even bring up food cost or housing.

You confuse speed with competence. If someone told you have your harvest you placed in April in by may, you would call them ridiculous but here you are.

Results will matter. I predict without another rabbit in the hat (Like Trump), the Carney Liberals will go down fast. Lets see how the next couple of months unfold.

Nostradamus was famously wrong about a lot of things, but somehow I feel like you've tossed out more predictions that him since the election.

 

[ArmyRick]

Do you ever stop to think that your dislike of the LPC may be blinding your opinion?

Answer me this. If the LPC are doing so badly, why are they not being punished in the polls? Why does Carney have some of the highest approval ratings not only in Canada, but in the western world? You don't like him, granted, but is that your view or a widespread belief?

I will mostly ignore this. Danielle Smith is happy. Danielle. Smith. If you're more demanding than Danielle Smith...welll

You complain about him building. You also complain about him spending. You want him to build things for free? Hmmmm. Sounds ridiculous.

He's investing in the CAF. You complain about spending. Is he supposed to fund the CAF for free? Also sounds ridiculous.

Population growth is static this year. Big win. Huzzah!

CETA was a deal that started as a agreement to discuss options.

TPP was a deal that started as a agreement to discuss options.

Turns out, every deal, worth anything, has to start somewhere.

Truth is...parliament has been back and I don't notice much difference other than politicians trying to make content in parliament that will play well in 30 seconds clips online.

You are a really impatient person I think. Danielle. Smith.

Kind of impressive and almost proves the concept.

Probably his lack of movement on economic files while mismanaging the post pandemic immigration files, while suffering the anger the populace usually saddles those dealing with high inflation usually does. A lot of western leaders fell to the post inflation resentment of their populace. I don't think the average Canadian was like "we need Trudeau out because of question period"

You want him to build, you want the CAF funded and you don't want him to spend money. I get it. Magic Marc.

Show me the polls where he is sinking. He's sinking in your head. Nowhere else.

Meh.

Don't see it doing very much.

Would rather they take the time to do things right as opposed to doing things fast and doing it wrong.

Trudeau moved fast on the Labour crunch post pandemic and completely screwed the pooch on it.

Meh.

Better to find markets for them and the infrastructure to get things to market before ramping gup production that ends up bottlenecked

But but but deficits!

Bail reform is coming, and again, time to do it right is faster than doing it twice because you messed up the first time

Yeah, sure. How exactly?

Takes 3 to tango. Well, not actually, but in this case it does.

Point to a good deal anyone has signed with Trump in his second term that you want Canada to emulate. I'll wait.

Population growth this year is stagnant. Already done.

So when the national post, or bell media, or global all collapse, and all our news comes from American and Russian content farms, you're going to be a happy camper?

For everyone saying cut media funding, find an alternative that keeps media in this country alive. I'll wait.

Not actually a thing parliament needs to do, as explained before.

Meh. He promised in the election to do it via attrition. And maybe he doesn't fancy losing his Ottawa riding like another Albertan member of parliament.

You confuse speed with competence. If someone told you have your harvest you placed in April in by may, you would call them ridiculous but here you are.

Nostradamus was famously wrong about a lot of things, but somehow I feel like you've tossed out more predictions that him since the election.

Lets watch and see. One or both of us is terribly wrong. Way too long to attack point by point.