Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[daftandbarmy]

You're peculiarly determined to mix trivialities with security vulnerabilities.

China's 'built in' surveillance programs are well known, e.g.,

What They Are Saying: Joint Investigation Finds Potential Chinese Espionage Threats to U.S. Ports​

“Chinese cargo cranes used at U.S. seaports around the country have embedded technology that could allow Beijing to covertly gain access to the machines, making them vulnerable to espionage and disruption, according to a yearlong congressional investigation.

“The probe, conducted jointly by the Republican majorities of the House Homeland Security Committee and Select Committee on the Chinese Communist Party, found that the China-based manufacturer of the cranes, ZPMC, had at times pressured port operators to allow the company to maintain remote access.

“‘Some ports insist on securing their assets, but many cave to the pressure,’ the report said, adding that ZPMC had shown particular interest in requesting remote access to its cranes located on the West Coast. Pushing back on ZPMC’s requests, it said, is ‘difficult for customers who are looking to get the lowest price or guarantee a robust warranty policy.’

“Though ostensibly done for diagnostic and maintenance purposes, the committees said the cellular modems built into the cranes could potentially allow access by the Chinese government due to the country’s national-security laws that mandate companies cooperate with state intelligence agencies. In some cases, the investigation uncovered instances where cranes came with cellular modems installed without the knowledge of port authorities and done so beyond the scope of contracts with ZPMC.”

What They Are Saying: Joint Investigation Finds Potential Chinese Espionage Threats to U.S. Ports – Committee on Homeland Security

homeland.house.gov

 

[Quirky]

Is Carney doing better than Poilievre would have done? No crystal ball to check, I haven't seen any decisive "Only Carney could have accomplished this deal" deals yet.

I think you're failing to consider that he "put the President on notice" and we cannot put a price tag on such tough and bold negotiations. It's his experience in business that made him the right person for the job.

 

[MilEME09]

“Alberta” didn’t sell oil to “the U.S.”. Companies extracting oil in Alberta sold it as a consensual exchange to companies in the U.S. who saw profit to be made from buying our oil at the agreed upon prices so they could refine it into more valuable products and earn a profit. Americans whining over trade imbalance because they want and need our oil is pathetic.

Perhaps people would prefer the Norway route of 78% corporate tax rate on O&G profits?

 

[Kirkhill]

The Massey company prospered in a world with tariffs. It started in Newcastle Ontario in the 1880s behind the protective barrier of Sir John A. MacDonald's National Policy tariffs. The US had a matching sytem of exclusionary tariffs.

Massey prospered under the managed trade zone that was the British Empire and continued under the Commonwealth. A trade zone that collapsed when Britain joined the EU.

A modernized version of that trade zone is on the rise, one that includes the EU and the Trans Pacific.

Canada today is in no worse position than it was in Daniel Massey's day.

PS Daniel Massey exploited automation to increase productivity, employ lots of Canadians and make lots of money.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I think you're failing to consider that he "put the President on notice" and we cannot put a price tag on such tough and bold negotiations. It's his experience in business that made him the right person for the job.

One should not forget Mark Carney's masterclass in manipulating Trump.

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[Halifax Tar]

That last meeting between Carney and DJT looked like a bromance to me .

 

[Altair]

You're peculiarly determined to mix trivialities with security vulnerabilities.

I'm burdened with responding to multiple individuals who each have a different bone to pick with China and every response I give to one being of little concern to the others.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I'm burdened with responding to multiple individuals who each have a different bone to pick with China and every response I give to one being of little concern to the others.

China is the 2025 version of Canadians throwing cans of food to German trenches.

 

[Quirky]

If the EV tariff on China is dropped, will we see Chinese EVs being sold here?

 

[brihard]

If the EV tariff on China is dropped, will we see Chinese EVs being sold here?

Conceivably. There would be other barriers to overcome, but for anyone to tackle those barriers in the first place the money needs to be right.

 

[Haggis]

If the EV tariff on China is dropped, will we see Chinese EVs being sold here?

Followed soon afterwards by Trump signing an Executive Order barring them from being operated in the US for "national security" reasons.

 

[Maxman1]

I'm burdened with responding to multiple individuals who each have a different bone to pick with China and every response I give to one being of little concern to the others.

China is not your friend.

 

[suffolkowner]

Followed soon afterwards by Trump signing an Executive Order barring them from being operated in the US for "national security" reasons.

they were being sold in Mexico and i know they were driven in the US. Maybe Mexico has recently tariffed or banned them?

 

[Brad Sallows]

Followed soon afterwards by Trump signing an Executive Order barring them from being operated in the US for "national security" reasons.

That would almost be amusing if we subsequently discovered a practical vulnerability and did the same thing. Trailing the pack on compromised telecomm; trailing the pack on compromised autos.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Perhaps people would prefer the Norway route of 78% corporate tax rate on O&G profits?

Some memes out there point out how much more Saudi Arabia gets from its system compared to Canada - wonder how those posting the memes would feel about Canada nationalizing O&G?

 

[MilEME09]

Some memes out there point out how much more Saudi Arabia gets from its system compared to Canada - wonder how those posting the memes would feel about Canada nationalizing O&G?

About as well as the NEP went

 

[Brad Sallows]

Some memes out there point out how much more Saudi Arabia gets from its system compared to Canada - wonder how those posting the memes would feel about Canada nationalizing O&G?

Why stop there?

We could nationalize forestry, jack up the government's take to match US timber licence costs, and resolve the essential underlying pillar of lumber disputes.

We could nationalize shipbuilding and cut out some of the middlemen.

We could nationalize all mines.

Etc.

 

[daftandbarmy]

A promotion! Nice...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1977811314295882027

 

[Quirky]

Followed soon afterwards by Trump signing an Executive Order barring them from being operated in the US for "national security" reasons.

That’s an ownership problem for anyone wanting to buy a janky Chinese EV. I thought Canada wanted to solve the climate crisis by forcing everyone into EVs? This would ultimately drive down prices and increase competition. Let them try to sell that junk here, if the trade off is dropping tariffs on our canola.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Let's see if I'm on the right track about EVs and China.


The Liberal government pushed hard for Canada switching to EV'S, including attempting to ban gas vehicle sales by 2035. (In many cases people who didn't pledge the jump to EVs were vilified as climate deniers [drawing from holocaust denier themes] but that's a different story.)

Canada's infrastructure to switch to all EV's is no where near ready.

From mining and refining critical minerals (lithium, cobalt, rare earths) to battery manufacturing, China controls most global production capacity and dominates the supply chain

Even if Canada mines its own minerals, nearly all refining and processing must go through Chinese facilities (creating a refining chokehold)

Canada risks swapping dependence on imported oil for dependence on Chinese controlled minerals and components.

Any Chinese export restrictions, political tension, or supply disruption could halt Canada’s EV industry overnight.

Chinese government-supported corporations have quietly bought stakes in mines and processing operations worldwide, consolidating control.

Canada and its allies currently lack the large-scale refining and battery manufacturing infrastructure to compete or operate independently.

Much of China’s refining is powered by coal, meaning EV production indirectly relies on high-emission energy sources (Making Canada's attempts to paint ourselves as climate change leaders hypocritical).

Weak labour and environmental standards in Chinese supply chains undermine Canada’s “green” and “ethical sourcing” image.

As Canada commits deeper to EV adoption, Beijing gains greater influence over a critical part of Canada’s economy and energy transition.

The more Canada pushes “clean technology” without domestic capacity, the more control shifts from Ottawa to Beijing.

We want Canada to rely on EV's and we want China to control practically all aspects of it?