Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[Remius]

Huh, it almost seems like the provinces most hostile to the US (Premier Ford in this case) are paying an economic price.

Not quite. Ontario, the richest province with the biggest economic engine is likely going to feel the effects of a hostile competitor more than others. Especially with manufacturing a key element of Trumps tarif war.

 

[Remius]

Another win for master negotiator PM MC. Get those elbows up up up!

Not surprised you hate Canada so much that you cheerlead its challenges.

Other than the jobs, this isn't such a big deal, no one buys shitty Stellantis vehicles anyway.

Hardly. But you don’t really care about Ontario jobs anyways spare us the faux indignation.

If you didn't know already, we are at the kiddy table and have been for a long long time. Canada is not in any position to assert dominance or influence beyond its borders, hell we can barely control the mess within.

And yet, Canada was invited. Funny eh? We aren’t a super power but we arent inconsequential either despite what you think.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Huh, it almost seems like the provinces most hostile to the US (Premier Ford in this case) are paying an economic price.

Ford wasn’t hostile until attacked. Thats called retaliation.

The US is the one turning it’s back on the world and expecting everyone to just fall in line. 50 years from now the fall of the American empire is going to be outlined with this presidency as the turning point.

It appears you are easily triggered. Step back for a moment and think it through. This is way beyond America being mean because Trump. Have you considered the Americans are cognizant they are no longer in a fiscal position to afford what they've been paying all along and that one function of the "trade war" is to put pressure on everyone else to pay more? Have you also considered the nature of threats in the world and do you think it prudent for "the west" to rely on big daddy America, or should these rich G7s shoulder some of that burden and the whole alliance is stronger for it?

Paying? America has not been paying it’s way since WWII. The only reason America isn’t the Argentina of North America is because they are the world currency, which is going out the window thanks to moves from this presidency. No one else is able to amass anywhere near the debt they have been allowed to.

Trying to make everyone else pay results in a lack of reliance on America which also means everyone else no longer has to tolerate their debt. When everyone wasn’t paying it made America the kingmaker, the one with the final say. Now they are making moves to turn into a regional power from a global one as everyone else stops relying on them. None of this benefits America, long term it will ruin them.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Michael Kovrig: Don't buy the gaslighting, China's intentions towards Canada are hostile​

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[Brad Sallows]

2nd time for the USA this year alone. Sure, not the entire west, but make no mistake, if it suited their interest to do so, they could expand that.

You wrote "shut it all down", which they haven't done. There you go moving the goalposts again.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Riding on a high horse talking a big game about not supporting Chinese industry on moral grounds while buying subs, ships, tanks planes and batteries that rely on Chinese industry is simply virtue signaling.

Cutting out avoidable bits in line with a general principle of decoupling is not virtue signalling. It's a practical incremental approach.

You've got a real hard-on for China. Are you drawing income from a Chinese interest?

 

[Quirky]

Not surprised you hate Canada so much that you cheerlead its challenges.

Hardly. But you don’t really care about Ontario jobs anyways spare us the faux indignation.

And yet, Canada was invited. Funny eh? We aren’t a super power but we arent inconsequential either despite what you think.

Hey, no! Wrong, wrong! Canada is hugely important on the international stage. All the other countries know and respect us for our tremendous contributions. No one mocks us for having lower GDP than some US states. We're super important! At this point, can the west just separate and we take the Canada name and the East can be called Country by Brookfield?

 

[Czech_pivo]

Another win for master negotiator PM MC. Get those elbows up up up!

Other than the jobs, this isn't such a big deal, no one buys shitty Stellantis vehicles anyway.



If you didn't know already, we are at the kiddy table and have been for a long long time. Canada is not in any position to assert dominance or influence beyond its borders, hell we can barely control the mess within.

I'm well aware of this fact - tell me, how do you expect the country to never sit at the kiddie table unless we consistently attend these sort of meeting?
Give me your road map on how to realistically make this happen.

Anyways, for those of you are able to give credit where and when credit is due and are able to see beyond the constant party lines and rhetoric, this article gives a pretty good explanation as to why the meeting overall was a success.

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/canada-playbook/2025/10/15/inside-carneys-chaotic-egypt-trip-00608807

EDIT:

Here's who sat with Canada at the 'kiddie table' as @Quirky loves to go on about.

— Carney’s seatmates: At one point, U.K. Prime Minister KEIR STARMER was on his left, and Saudi Arabia’s PRINCE FAISAL BIN SALMAN AL SAUD was on his right. Turkish President RECEP TAYYIP ERDOGAN was across from the PM.

Some 'kiddie table' - LOL

 

[Remius]

Hey, no! Wrong, wrong! Canada is hugely important on the international stage. All the other countries know and respect us for our tremendous contributions. No one mocks us for having lower GDP than some US states. We're super important! At this point, can the west just separate and we take the Canada name and the East can be called Country by Brookfield?

We are well aware of your Maple Maga desires to be American and the fact that you are an admitted separatist that does not have the good of Canada in mind.

Everything you post can be viewed under that lens so you’ll have to excuse me if I don’t take anything you say as good faith, informed or actually something that contributes to any discussion.

This post you just made only reinforces that notion. Please keep it up. It’s revealing.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Anyways, for those of you are able to give credit where and when credit is due and are able to see beyond the constant party lines and rhetoric, this article gives a pretty good explanation as to why the meeting overall was a success.

That article is just a spin job trying to make an awkward moment where world leaders sat for 4 hours waiting for the CO US president to show up to the parade.

 

[Remius]

I'm well aware of this fact - tell me, how do you expect the country to never sit at the kiddie table unless we consistently attend these sort of meeting?
Give me your road map on how to realistically make this happen.

Anyways, for those of you are able to give credit where and when credit is due and are able to see beyond the constant party lines and rhetoric, this article gives a pretty good explanation as to why the meeting overall was a success.

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/canada-playbook/2025/10/15/inside-carneys-chaotic-egypt-trip-00608807

EDIT:

Here's who sat with Canada at the 'kiddie table' as @Quirky loves to go on about.

— Carney’s seatmates: At one point, U.K. Prime Minister KEIR STARMER was on his left, and Saudi Arabia’s PRINCE FAISAL BIN SALMAN AL SAUD was on his right. Turkish President RECEP TAYYIP ERDOGAN was across from the PM.

Some 'kiddie table' - LOL

The problem is that a Liberal leader who is actually a progressive conservative could actually be successful in some quarters scares the crap out people because it shatters their world view.

They’d rather see the world burn…

 

[Altair]

You wrote "shut it all down", which they haven't done. There you go moving the goalposts again.

They have shut it down for every country that has engaged in a trade war with them. Considering that's only one country, my statement is correct.

 

[Altair]

You've got a real hard-on for China. Are you drawing income from a Chinese interest?

Right, so in the past I would reply in kind and get a delightful message from the mod team.

Instead of responding in kind, I'll simply put you on ignore instead.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Hey, no! Wrong, wrong! Canada is hugely important on the international stage. All the other countries know and respect us for our tremendous contributions. No one mocks us for having lower GDP than some US states. We're super important! At this point, can the west just separate and we take the Canada name and the East can be called Country by Brookfield?

If you are interested in actual facts, Canada has the 12th largest GDP in the world

 

[Altair]

If you are interested in actual facts, Canada has the 12th largest GDP in the world

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9th.

New York, California, and Texas are all part of number 1.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

9th.

New York, California, and Texas are all part of number 1.

You are correct: top 20 Countries by GDP

I used the previous graphic to refute the "we are pathetic because there are states with larger GDPs than our country" statement

 

[Czech_pivo]

That article is just a spin job trying to make an awkward moment where world leaders sat for 4 hours waiting for the CO US president to show up to the parade.

If you don't think that 'locking' these guys in a room for 4 hrs provides for an opportunity for real work to get done - away from the media eyes and the political puppet masters.

I tend to believe that progress can and was made in the situation that occurred above.

 

[Czech_pivo]

The problem is that a Liberal leader who is actually a progressive conservative could actually be successful in some quarters scares the crap out people because it shatters their world view.

They’d rather see the world burn…

100% I am a firm supporter of Carney - but - I do not, have not and more than likely, will not support the Liberal party.

To me, Carney is the right guy at the wrong party. PP is just absolutely just the wrong guy overall.

 

[ArmyRick]

100% I am a firm supporter of Carney - but - I do not, have not and more than likely, will not support the Liberal party.

To me, Carney is the right guy at the wrong party. PP is just absolutely just the wrong guy overall.

If you support Carney, then you by default support the Liberal party. At least that is what your vote will say.

 

[Czech_pivo]

If you support Carney, then you by default support the Liberal party. At least that is what your vote will say.

No because I voted for the local Tory MP who lost against a bag of hammer Liberal called Karina Gould.
I do not support PP, I’m dead against him and would renew my party membership just to vote against him again in a leadership review/race.
I will publicly support Carney because I firmly believe that he, as an individual, is the best - the best - option for PM that we currently have.