Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[dapaterson]

They totally did. Every time an embarrassing scandal popped up Liberal supporters looked at their feet and then quickly became side tracked by another topic. Trudeau could (and did) get away with anything because his supporters convinced themselves "the other guy would be worse". Can't compete with that brand loyalty.

We'll see the same loyalty to MC.

Many political supporters will forgive their own leader for eating human flesh and demonize their opponent for pulling an old person from in front of a car that was about to hit them for "preventing them from exercising their freedom to walk around".

Parties also have the unfortunate penchant of developing attack dogs (Tobin, Copps, Nunziata etc) and later thinking they might be leaders.

 

[MilEME09]

It’s still damage control. Nothing burger or not.

It is PPs party. No knives are out. His base is pleased and secure.

But he’s making the same mistakes that cost him the election and appears to have learned nothing.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1980395676480815335

Hopefully he learns from it, but given he didn't seem to learn anything from his election loss I doubt it.

 

[Quirky]

I suspect we'll see some insane gymnastics in a couple weeks to explain why a $100B deficit is actually a good thing.

40% of Canadians are okay being in an abusive relationship.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Money and benefits doesn’t motivate Gen Z and Zellenials. Lots of institutions including our own haven’t understood what does motivate them and haven’t pivoted to that.

Usually the money and benefits offered aren’t particularly great though. 100k a year really isn’t much anymore when compared to what you need to survive.

In the areas the majority of the population live, that barely gets you a apartment and maybe a used vehicle if you have to buy in at todays prices.

So money is a motivator, as is benefits, but if it is still just giving you enough to get by people would rather have time off or other benefits which make their lives easier as they aren’t receiving the funds which would make that difference.

CBSA pays 85-100k a year. I am not sure what their moving situation is but if it is getting moved around the country, many don’t see that as a perk. It isn’t bad money, certainly better than many jobs, but it also isn’t afford a house and car and have 3 kids type money.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Usually the money and benefits offered aren’t particularly great though. 100k a year really isn’t much anymore when compared to what you need to survive.

In the areas the majority of the population live, that barely gets you a apartment and maybe a used vehicle if you have to buy in at todays prices.

So money is a motivator, as is benefits, but if it is still just giving you enough to get by people would rather have time off or other benefits which make their lives easier as they aren’t receiving the funds which would make that difference.

CBSA pays 85-100k a year. I am not sure what their moving situation is but if it is getting moved around the country, many don’t see that as a perk. It isn’t bad money, certainly better than many jobs, but it also isn’t afford a house and car and have 3 kids

Living in say Windsor, Sarina, Cornwall, St Kitts, Welland and working for the CBSA making 100k and a spouse making another 65-85k or even 100k will give you a very good life.
People have forgotten how to live within their means. Buying a house in say Windsor for 550-600k gets you a pretty nice place. Sadly people then go off and buy Miele appliances, add a 175k inground pool, waterfall and pool ‘house, an 85k new truck and then they wonder why they are cash poor.
I make north of those numbers, as does my wife. Last year I bought a new Toyota Corolla Hybrid for 35k and I sat with a ‘needs vs wants’ chart for quite along time trying to justify spending 35k on a depreciable asset. The average new vehicle in the US is now 50k, which means it’s north of that in Canada - do people not understand that a vehicle losses value every single year after they buy it until the value reaches zero? The average car payment plan is now 7yrs long.

 

[Halifax Tar]

The head of the Customs and Immigration Union has little faith the PMMC's ability to deliver 1000 "new" BSOs. He testified in Committee that current recruit training barely keeps up with attrition producing roughly 600 new BSOs per year, with no concrete plans to increase recruit throughput at the CBSA College. Once the new 25 and out pension kicks in you can expect a minor exodus of long serving BSOs with no mechanism to replace them, let alone grow the force.

25 and out pension ?

Can we all take a moment to thank Trudeau for his service.

Justin Trudeau’s 10-year election anniversary post did not go over well with Canadians​

I don't want him in jail, I just want him to go away and never come back. I don't ever want to hear his name again. And my greatest regret is I was willingly duped into voting for him in 2015.

I’ve had to deal with a ton of 25yr olds with an MBA and 1-2yrs of ‘work’ experience who expect to be earning 100K plus a 15-20% bonus and leading a team of 6-8 people.
MBA’s used to be for adults with 8-10yrs progressive work experience and there were about 60% less schools offering an MBA program and it was substantially harder to get into one.

Its almost like we over sold and stated the need for a university education.

They totally did. Every time an embarrassing scandal popped up Liberal supporters looked at their feet and then quickly became side tracked by another topic. Trudeau could (and did) get away with anything because his supporters convinced themselves "the other guy would be worse". Can't compete with that brand loyalty.

We'll see the same loyalty to MC.

The LPC does not govern for Canada they govern for themselves to stay in power. This most evident in their hard over on policies and direction change. They are Canada's natural ruling party. And Canada seems ok with that.

 

[Czech_pivo]

So far only the G&M is reporting this and unfortunately I don't have access to their reporting.

U.S.-Canada trade deal could be ready for approval at APEC summit, sources say​

EDIT:
Reuters now reporting, no real news outside what the G&M has reported, so 2nd source confirmation.

US-Canada trade deal may be ready for approval at APEC summit, Globe and Mail reports​

This piece is not good news - yet - "The U.S., however, is not ready to make any deal on Canadian automobiles or softwood lumber, the report added."

US-Canada trade deal may be ready for approval at APEC summit, Globe and Mail reports

A U.S.-Canada trade deal on steel, aluminium and energy could be ready for Prime Minister Mark Carney and U.S. President Donald Trump to sign at the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit later this month in South Korea, the Globe and Mail newspaper reported on Tuesday, citing sources familiar...

www.reuters.com

 

[Remius]

So far only the G&M is reporting this and unfortunately I don't have access to their reporting.

U.S.-Canada trade deal could be ready for approval at APEC summit, sources say​

CTV mentions something about a deal on a steel carve out coming soon.

 

[Czech_pivo]

CTV mentions something about a deal on a steel carve out coming soon.

Reuters is quoting the G&M article saying the steel and aluminum deals may have been struck.

 

[MilEME09]

The LPC does not govern for Canada they govern for themselves to stay in power. This most evident in their hard over on policies and direction change. They are Canada's natural ruling party. And Canada seems ok with that.

It aint just the LPC that does this, every political party does this, the notion that deomcratically elected governments serve the people is a dream, they will just give us enough so we dont vote them out, not listen to us. Alberta is a great case of that right now, majority dont want an alberta police force but they are going and doing it any way.

 

[Halifax Tar]

It aint just the LPC that does this, every political party does this, the notion that deomcratically elected governments serve the people is a dream, they will just give us enough so we dont vote them out, not listen to us. Alberta is a great case of that right now, majority dont want an alberta police force but they are going and doing it any way.

No, I disagree. The LPC has gone being the NDP to the CPC in less than an election cycle. They don't govern from a place of principled policy stances, but from a position of what ever will keep them in power. Canada just votes them out every now and again so they can freshen up a bit.

Its fair cricket, I would hope for better from Canadas natural government ruling party.

 

[MilEME09]

No, I disagree. The LPC has gone being the NDP to the CPC in less than an election cycle. They don't govern from a place of principled policy stances, but from a position of what ever will keep them in power. Canada just votes them out every now and again so they can freshen up a bit.

Its fair cricket, I would hope for better from Canadas natural government ruling party.

I'd argue the LPC is back to where it naturally was before JT took over. Near the center, especially the jean chretien era where we saw a more fiscally responsible federal gov (keeping the fiscal cons content) while still being socially liberal.

 

[Quirky]

Near the center, especially the jean chretien era where we saw a more fiscally responsible federal gov

Given the projected $80b deficit in the next budget, is the fiscally responsible federal gov in the room with us?

 

[Lumber]

No, I disagree. The LPC has gone being the NDP to the CPC in less than an election cycle. They don't govern from a place of principled policy stances, but from a position of what ever will keep them in power. Canada just votes them out every now and again so they can freshen up a bit.

Its fair cricket, I would hope for better from Canadas natural government ruling party.

If what they are doing gets them elected, how can you tell whether it is "doing what voters want" and "doing what gets voters to vote for you."?

 

[MilEME09]

Given the projected $80b deficit in the next budget, is the fiscally responsible federal gov in the room with us?

you can be fiscally responsible and still run a deficit, They key is how you spend that money, what you spend it on, and if you have a plan to balance things.

 

[Czech_pivo]

No, I disagree. The LPC has gone being the NDP to the CPC in less than an election cycle. They don't govern from a place of principled policy stances, but from a position of what ever will keep them in power. Canada just votes them out every now and again so they can freshen up a bit.

Its fair cricket, I would hope for better from Canadas natural government ruling party.

Isn't that a bit like what the 'party of the right of centre' has done in the past when moving from one party leader to another? Moving from the traditional PC party to the Reform/Alliance focused party renamed to be the 'Conservative' - which under the current leader doesn't represent the old PC party at all - hence the muzzling of the few remaining old PC guard that are still elected MP's.

A Party's dogma shifts from leader to leader, its a natural occurrence.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I'd argue the LPC is back to where it naturally was before JT took over. Near the center, especially the jean chretien era where we saw a more fiscally responsible federal gov (keeping the fiscal cons content) while still being socially liberal.

I would argue the LPC and CPC are in shared space at the moment. Which is not good for the CPC.

If what they are doing gets them elected, how can you tell whether it is "doing what voters want" and "doing what gets voters to vote for you."?

Either or, its not a principled policy positioning. What exactly does a party stand for and represent if its just going flip flop all over the place depending which ay the electorate winds are blowing at this moment ? I think it will be telling when a Dem Gov is elected in the US or when DJT loses the mid terms badly, the LPC will start to drift back to left again.

Again its fair play, I simply think its shallow and void of any substance.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Isn't that a bit like what the 'party of the right of centre' has done in the past when moving from one party leader to another? Moving from the traditional PC party to the Reform/Alliance focused party renamed to be the 'Conservative' - which under the current leader doesn't represent the old PC party at all - hence the muzzling of the few remaining old PC guard that are still elected MP's.

A Party's dogma shifts from leader to leader, its a natural occurrence.

What we have seen from this iteration of the PMMC/JT LPC Gov isn't just a shift, they have gone from being the NDP to being the CPC.

IMHO the CPC has been the centrist party for the last 7 - 10 years, and the LCP have moved into that space, from a position of far left ideology.

 

[Halifax Tar]

you can be fiscally responsible and still run a deficit, They key is how you spend that money, what you spend it on, and if you have a plan to balance things.

Just me, but I believe you cant be a fiscally responsible Gov while putting the country deeper in debt. You can be fiscally responsible, while paying off that debt, but not getting deeper.

I know others here will be more comfortable with the country taking on a bigger debt load.

 

[Lumber]

Either or, its not a principled policy positioning. What exactly does a party stand for and represent if its just going flip flop all over the place depending which ay the electorate winds are blowing at this moment ? I think it will be telling when a Dem Gov is elected in the US or when DJT loses the mid terms badly, the LPC will start to drift back to left again.

Again its fair play, I simply think its shallow and void of any substance.

Staking your "policy position" on "ideology" is a mistake. Your police foundation should be "doing what's best for Canada and Canadians" and "what's best" shouldn't be decided in advance and locked into stone, but should be based on the best information and expertise available at any given time. We shouldn't admonish parties automatically because they've switched stances (but it shouldn't require a leader change to achieve that switch).