Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[Altair]

No rebellion. Desertion yes. But I see no rebellion against PP.

Depends on the leadership review, no?

Weak result and suddenly there is blood in the water.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Red Tories seem to have an escape hatch if they end up on the enemies list.

I'm not going to lie, I didn't have a Tory rebellion on my 2025 bingo card, but I guess with a Red Tory in Carney running the LPC it makes it much more tolerable to cross the floor.

At this point I think you're letting your glee and excitement get the better of you. If we see more cross over then you can dance your smarmy dance.

Chris, was pissed off that he didn't get some position he wanted and also only very narrowly won by 1.1%. I think this floor crossing has as much to do with personal gain and a temper tantrum as it does him having some Liberal equivalent of a come to Jesus moment.

As previously stated he needs to do what's best for his constituents. If this what he feels is best, so be it. The people of Acadie-Annapolis will tell the truth in time.

 

[Altair]

At this point I think you're letting your glee and excitement get the better of you. If we see more cross over then you can dance your smarmy dance.

Chris, was pissed off that he didn't get some position he wanted and also only very narrowly won by 1.1%. I think this floor crossing has as much to do with personal gain and a temper tantrum as it does him having some Liberal equivalent of a come to Jesus moment.

As previously stated he needs to do what's best for his constituents. If this what he feels is best, so be it. The people of Acadie-Annapolis will tell the truth in time.

Hey, if it was just Chris, I would have chalked it up to personal grievance and not really cared all that much.

But when there is talk, from Chris and others, about there being others, well, that does change things a lot.

I just want a majority so I can stop hearing about the million and one ways we will stumble into another election and the polling industry living off the resulting sugar rush.

 

[HavokFour]

Possibly unrelated, but CPC MP Matt Jeneroux (Edmonton Riverbend) very and I mean very recently locked his X account. I found this interesting with all the talk of 2 more CPC MP's considering jumping ship, though one from Alberta isn't on my bingo card but weird things happen.

https://x.com/jeneroux

Then again it could be a nothing burger.

 

[Remius]

At this point I think you're letting your glee and excitement get the better of you. If we see more cross over then you can dance your smarmy dance.

Chris, was pissed off that he didn't get some position he wanted and also only very narrowly won by 1.1%. I think this floor crossing has as much to do with personal gain and a temper tantrum as it does him having some Liberal equivalent of a come to Jesus moment.

As previously stated he needs to do what's best for his constituents. If this what he feels is best, so be it. The people of Acadie-Annapolis will tell the truth in time.

His take is that he didn’t like PPs leadership style.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/chris-dentremont-liberals-poilievre-9.6967559

 

[Brad Sallows]

The budget is terrible - not because it is entirely bereft of some positive ideas, but for its bottom line.

Borrowing 1/6th of total proposed spending. I haven't checked the details, but suspect we are finally slipping from an operating surplus (did most people even realize we still had one?) to deficit.

Cost of servicing debt over 10% of proposed spending, and no reason to expect BoC to continue dropping interest rates. Increased demand for borrowing (private interests still need access to capital, too) will cause lenders to keep their rates a little higher.

In 2015, LPC campaigned on going back to deficit spending and an "investment in infrastructure" budget. In 2025, we have more of the same. Observers should expect government "investment" picks to work out about as well as those of the past decades. Massive opportunities for misallocation of capital.

Without any extraordinary measures that have had time to have an effect so far, we've managed to avoid the dreaded Trump recession, which means extraordinary spending is most likely not required. If the aim is to grow Canada's economy, empirical evidence of past decades suggests money left un-taxed and un-borrowed (ie. available to proper capitalists) promotes economic growth more efficiently than government pick-and-choose. But of course supporters will tout what is "seen" - they will talk loudly and frequently about successes, and claim that we are getting 1.5% growing instead of 0.5% growth. They will not think to mention - or will avoid mentioning - we might be doing 2.5% by less taxed horrible capitalists not competing with governments for available capital.

The federal government has its own fiscal picture which supporters are quick to claim isn't so bad, but Canadian taxpayers are supporting the entire edifice of federal, provincial, and local spending commitments (and debts).

 

[Jarnhamar]

As previously stated he needs to do what's best for his constituents. If this what he feels is best, so be it. The people of Acadie-Annapolis will tell the truth in time.

At the end of the day he's going to vote however the Liberal party whip tells him to vote. If the people of Acadie-Annapolis want a blue fence and the LPC want a red fence he's going to vote for a red fence.

 

[Altair]

At the end of the day he's going to vote however the Liberal party whip tells him to vote. If the people of Acadie-Annapolis want a blue fence and the LPC want a red fence he's going to vote for a red fence.

Single transferable vote voting system would fix this issue.

 

[Kilted]

I have been surprised that the knives didn't come out for PP after the election, probably due to a lack of competition. However, you do have to think that those thoughts are there considering that the last election was likely originally going to result in a Conservative majority. Now we have a Liberal minority potentially turning into a majority because of a few floor crossers.

 

[Altair]

I have been surprised that the knives didn't come out for PP after the election, probably due to a lack of competition. However, you do have to think that those thoughts are there considering that the last election was likely originally going to result in a Conservative majority. Now we have a Liberal minority potentially turning into a majority because of a few floor crossers.

I think if Trudeau held on by some miracle and won 169 seats, not a single conservative would have crossed the floor.

This is the Carney effect.

 

[MilEME09]

Without any extraordinary measures that have had time to have an effect so far, we've managed to avoid the dreaded Trump recession, which means extraordinary spending is most likely not required. If the aim is to grow Canada's economy, empirical evidence of past decades suggests money left un-taxed and un-borrowed (ie. available to proper capitalists) promotes economic growth more efficiently than government pick-and-choose. But of course supporters will tout what is "seen" - they will talk loudly and frequently about successes, and claim that we are getting 1.5% growing instead of 0.5% growth. They will not think to mention - or will avoid mentioning - we might be doing 2.5% by less taxed horrible capitalists not competing with governments for available capital.

The federal government has its own fiscal picture which supporters are quick to claim isn't so bad, but Canadian taxpayers are supporting the entire edifice of federal, provincial, and local spending commitments (and debts).

Are you essentially suggesting the economy will grow it self without the government trying to incentivize investment? What evidence do you have to support we would be any better or even close to 2.5%? compared to the rest of the G7 we are right in the middle for corporate tax rates, with only america dramatically below us at 21% with the UK and france being very comparable to us.