Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[Jarnhamar]

We only ordered 16. That's all we are locked into.

I thought we committed to 88.
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As outlined in Strong, Secure, Engaged, Canada has committed to purchase a new fleet of 88 advanced fighter jets for the RCAF, and today, the federal government announced that this new fleet will be comprised of F-35 jets. The first deliveries of these aircraft are anticipated to begin in 2026, and we anticipate that we will reach Full Operational Capability with our entire fleet between 2032 and 2034.

 

[Czech_pivo]

I thought we committed to 88.
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We are only the hook legally for the first 16, nothing past that, yet.

 

[Altair]

I thought we committed to 88.
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/f-35-canada-sweden-saab-9.6982139

Carney ordered a review of the purchase of F-35s manufactured by the American firm Lockheed Martin in March, in response to expansionist threats from U.S. President Donald Trump. Canada is currently acquiring at least 16 F-35 aircraft, but has not committed to acquiring the full fleet of 88 aircraft that were ordered in 2023.

We said we were buying 88.

We have only ordered 16.

 

[Jarnhamar]

but maybe, just maybe, you can give the PM a little bit of credit instead of trying to credit the premiers for getting this done.

Now I know, I know, crediting Carney does go against the narrative that he does nothing...So clearly I ask for too much.

Does Carney deserve all the credit?

 

[Czech_pivo]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/f-35-canada-sweden-saab-9.6982139

We said we were buying 88.

We have only ordered 16.

It’s the same thing with the RCD - we have paid only for the first 3, the other 12 we intend to purchase.

 

[Jarnhamar]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/f-35-canada-sweden-saab-9.6982139

We said we were buying 88.

We have only ordered 16.

Sure. We committed to buying 88. We should honour our commitment.

 

[Altair]

Does Carney deserve all the credit?

I'm opposed to someone having to take all of the blame while getting none of the credit.

Does he deserve all of the credit? No. Many moving parts, many people needing to work together, many people deserve credit. But does Carney deserve a fair share? Yes. Most of these premiers have been on the job long before he came along and interprovincial trade didn't move one iota. Even when the tariff war with the USA began, premiers were not talking about this. Carney made it a priority and now, here we are, the most progress made on this file in generations.

 

[Jarnhamar]

We are only the hook legally for the first 16, nothing past that, yet.

Do you think we should only buy 16 of them then switch to Gripens?

 

[Altair]

Sure. We committed to buying 88. We should honour our commitment.

My wife commits to a lot of things as well, but if I piss her off, it turns out she doesn't need to do them.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Do you think we should only buy 16 of them then switch to Gripens?

No
I’m a believer of 88 or, it not possible 65+.

At the same time I’m willing to keep the SAAB connection open and see where the chips may land. But not without 65-88 F35’s as the mainstay of the RCAF.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Does he deserve all of the credit? No.

I agree. Carney shares the credit on this one so it's not a Carney-only laurel. I'm sure there's other great stuff out there that Carney deserves all the credit for.

 

[Altair]

I agree. Carney shares the credit on this one so it's not a Carney-only laurel. I'm sure there's other great stuff out there that Carney deserves all the credit for.

Sure.

I would name them but it's akin to screaming into the void.

 

[Altair]

Canada announces massive jump in funding to European Space Agency

Canada, seeking tighter ties with the European Union, will boost its investment in European Space Agency programs by C$528.5 million ($377.96 million), a tenfold increase compared to previous contributions, a top cabinet member said on Tuesday.

www.reuters.com

Canada, seeking tighter ties with the European Union, will boost its investment in European Space Agency programs by C$528.5 million ($377.96 million), a tenfold increase compared to previous contributions, a top cabinet member said on Tuesday.
Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney, who won an April election on the back of a promise to diversify the economy in the face of U.S. tariffs, is pressing for tighter defense and security relations with the EU.

Not related to SAAB but clearly showing which direction the PM is looking.

Between this and Eurovision, and the potential of a SAAB deal, Canada seems to be going all in on Europe.

 

[Quirky]

The amusing part is when this happens...your line of reasoning won't change.

Give me a reason to change, until then it’s all announcements and agreements.

 

[Altair]

Give me a reason to change, until then it’s all announcements and agreements.

I've played this game enough times Lucy.