Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[IKnowNothing]

Dave has stated many times what got him started on commenting on politics. Are you aware of his personal story?

Yes he is making money from his content. If he has fans and followers so be it, thats good. If people don't like what he puts out, they stop following and stop watching, and he loses money. Where is the problem?

The CBC gets $1.4 billion dollars of TAX payers money without our consent as far as I am concerned, and they put out biased trash.

I honestly don't care. I'm sure it's an appropriately gripping tale of hardship caused solely by the LPC, leading to an epiphany and a true calling of being a youtube crusader for truth.

I'm sure you believe that it's a coincidence that all these supposedly great sources of independent political insight are posting videos with the same tone, the same visual template, the same approximate (and incredible) posting cadence, the same incredible breadth of supposed expertise beyond their educational or professional backgrounds, advancing the same political agenda, with just enough variance in specificity to make it seem like they're disconnected. That's your prerogative.

But railing against the bias of the mainstream media while gobbling down at the firehose of a blatantly partisan and coordinated for profit info space? Hilariously ironic.

 

[Altair]

And I’m sure Sweden will very respectfully sell us a fighter that will do fine for some of our less intensive fast jet missions, but that stands to quickly get our pilots killed if we get into a real scrap with a technological peer, or simply needs to put jets overhead into contested airspace- say, to support our soldiers on the ground who are defending against a Russian push west.

Does Canada have a use case that the gripe would satisfy? As best as this infantry/cop idiot can tell, I think so. But that’s not all of what we need and I see nothing out there except F-35 that can give Canada critically needed capabilities on a reasonable timeline. And a token squadron of 16 won’t cut it.

Part of asserting our sovereignty is standing up to trade bullying. Another part of asserting our sovereignty is showing our allies a credible military capability that can kill people and break there shit in defence of the national interest under the lawful direction of the civil authority. If we’re going to do that latter, let’s do it without our pilots getting snuffed out quite as readily if we land in major combat operations.

So here's where I need to try to square the circle, so to speak.

The Gripen E/F performs reasonably on par with the Rafale, the Eurofighter, super Hornet, F 16

So I guess I'm supposed to somehow believe that France, Germany, Italy, the USA, the UK, Hungary, Spain, Portugal, Poland, the list goes on and on, all these operators of all these different fighter aircraft are willingly and deliberately putting their pilots in death traps by not going full fleet F35.

Yes, including the USA, who will continue to fly the f 16 and super Hornet until the 2040s.

See the issue I'm having here?

 

[brihard]

So here's where I need to try to square the circle, so to speak.

The Gripen E/F performs reasonably on par with the Rafale, the Eurofighter, super Hornet, F 16

So I guess I'm supposed to somehow believe that France, Germany, Italy, the USA, the UK, Hungary, Spain, Portugal, Poland, the list goes on and on, all these operators of all these different fighter aircraft are willingly and deliberately putting their pilots in death traps by not going full fleet F35.

Yes, including the USA, who will continue to fly the f 16 and super Hornet until the 2040s.

See the issue I'm having here?

I have not said we need sole fleet. I’m saying that any significant cut in our planned acquisition of F-35 is short sighted. Even at 88 that’s not really a lot of things ever get real.

I’d be fine with a rigorous assessment on whether an expanding CAF can and should augment with a second cheaper fleet, but it should not be at the expense of our already concerningly small planned fleet of F-35s.

Other countries with mixed fleets are no
Doubt very aware of which missions are appropriate for the respective aircraft.

 

[PuckChaser]

This is just way out for Carney to pretend to be Elbows Up (TM) and fulfill a cardinal Trudeau promise of canceling the F35. Its pure political theatre and pretty transparent for non-partisans.

If we order Gripens, we're going to be flying them for 30 years beyond when the US has retired its last Gen4 aircraft because they're not getting delivered until 2035 at the earliest if we have to open production lines. No amount of contortionist estimate situating will change that fact.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

This is just way out for Carney to pretend to be Elbows Up (TM) and fulfill a cardinal Trudeau promise of canceling the F35. Its pure political theatre and pretty transparent for non-partisans.

If we order Gripens, we're going to be flying them for 30 years beyond when the US has retired its last Gen4 aircraft because they're not getting delivered until 2035 at the earliest if we have to open production lines. No amount of contortionist estimate situating will change that fact.

And everyone of those “elbows up” folks who want to order Grippens keep forgetting that alot of that aircraft is based off of US tech, which the US can veto the sale of. Which, they will. No one will come to our defence, if they do.

This is a fever dream. We are buying F35s. Or else.

 

[Altair]

I have not said we need sole fleet. I’m saying that any significant cut in our planned acquisition of F-35 is short sighted. Even at 88 that’s not really a lot of things ever get real.

I’d be fine with a rigorous assessment on whether an expanding CAF can and should augment with a second cheaper fleet, but it should not be at the expense of our already concerningly small planned fleet of F-35s.

Other countries with mixed fleets are no
Doubt very aware of which missions are appropriate for the respective aircraft.

While every country is different and has different requirements and needs, Germany has 35 F35s(ha) and the UK has 138 on order.

Landing somewhere between those two should be acceptable.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Again, we have Sweden, actually treating Canada with respect.

On the other side, we have the Americans issuing yet another threat.

We as a country have been given a once in a generation opportunity to diversify away from the USA. It should not be squandered.

We should buy capability rather than respect. I have no inclination to trade a few pilots' lives for someone else's self-esteem.

 

[Altair]

This is just way out for Carney to pretend to be Elbows Up (TM) and fulfill a cardinal Trudeau promise of canceling the F35. Its pure political theatre and pretty transparent for non-partisans.

If we order Gripens, we're going to be flying them for 30 years beyond when the US has retired its last Gen4 aircraft because they're not getting delivered until 2035 at the earliest if we have to open production lines. No amount of contortionist estimate situating will change that fact.

Ukraine is getting its first Gripens by 2028. I believe they only just made the deal.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I’d be fine with a rigorous assessment on whether an expanding CAF can and should augment with a second cheaper fleet, but it should not be at the expense of our already concerningly small planned fleet of F-35s.

Fully onside with you.

 

[Altair]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/sask-carney-moe-pipeline-bc-9.6985310

Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe says his government is also involved in ongoing negotiations about a potential oil pipeline in northern B.C., and re-allowing oil tankers on the nation's west coast.

And now we know why Moe has been largely silent as well.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Ukraine is getting its first Gripens by 2028. I believe they only just made the deal.

I do not see how that is remotely relevant to Canada.

 

[Brad Sallows]

I do not see how that is remotely relevant to Canada.

It reminds us that we could be in approximately the same position as we would if we wanted to buy more Leopards - at the end of a queue in the world of defence production. I suppose that must apply to every supply chain, but some are more affected than others.

Criteria for selection always ought to include: how quickly can this be scaled (up), and how vulnerable would we be to naval interdiction? Mexico might be a better strategic partner than any European nation.

 

[Jarnhamar]

My wife commits to a lot of things as well, but if I piss her off, it turns out she doesn't need to do them.

Damn bro. Next time she does that remind her wedding vows are commitments and she wouldn't like you ignoring them just because you're mad.

I do not see how that is remotely relevant to Canada.

We're probably paying for some of them.

Kidding, but not really.

 

[Haggis]

Ukraine is getting its first Gripens by 2028. I believe they only just made the deal.

Ukraine is in the middle of a special military operation. That bumps them up in the queue.

 

[Altair]

Damn bro. Next time she does that remind her wedding vows are commitments and she wouldn't like you ignoring them just because you're mad.

Sure thing.

You know any good divorce lawyers as well while you're at it?

 

[Jarnhamar]

Government seeks to retroactively change law, potentially avoiding paying veterans over federal error

Government overcharged veterans so the government is trying to retroactively change the law so they don't pay veterans back. Very classy move.

 

[Altair]

Government seeks to retroactively change law, potentially avoiding paying veterans over federal error

Government overcharged veterans so the government is trying to retroactively change the law so they don't pay veterans back. Very classy move.

I'm sure those wanting a smaller deficit will be pleased.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I'm sure those wanting a smaller deficit will be pleased.

100%. Money to increase CBCs budget, money for the BEP, 2SLGBTQIAA+ Entrepreneurship Program, and so on all needs to come from somewhere. Veterans need to make some sacrifices too.

 

[Altair]

100%. Money to increase CBCs budget, money for the BEP, 2SLGBTQIAA+ Entrepreneurship Program, and so on all needs to come from somewhere. Veterans need to make some sacrifices too.

You forgot about Eurovision

 

[Jarnhamar]

You forgot about Eurovision

What's that?