Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[brihard]

The Gripen does appeal to me, I value broad utility in things. If we bought 65+ F-35 and another 80+ Gripens, I’d be good with that. But Canada’s fleet keeps getting smaller. If we’re going to have a small fleet we should have the most capable aircraft available.

For the record, and i’v sId it before, due to Canada’s vast size and coastlines, we should have a top tier airforce and Navy. Im a fortress North America guy, but those two elements can also project with significance.
We’ll not likely ever deploy a division of troops again.

That’s a pretty reasonable take. I largely agree.

 

[Maxman1]

Worn out 4th gen fighters with new 4th gen fighters.

Gen 4 is obsolete. It's time to upgrade.

The Gripen is also very cheap to run in comparison to the F35, which for a country like Canada matters. Some estimates are over 33k a hour for the F35 vs 8k per hour for the Gripen. That type of price difference is huge. I would rather more of a less technologically advanced equipment we can actually run with more quantity than less of a more technologically advanced equipment that we aren't going to use due to costs.

It's not cheaper. Saab's claims are nonsense. That $8,000 per hour won't even fill the tank.

If we want something cheap for low intensity, friendly skies COIN op missions, there are better options. We can add guns and bombs to trainers, like the AT-6 Wolverine, the light attack version of our Harvard II. The T-7 and T-50 also both have light attack variants.

 

[Furniture]

They ordered it in 2014, and have had ten delivered since then, and that's with a domestic aerospace industry cooperating. Saab promised 14,000 jobs, about 200 have materialized. The costs keep rising because of the delays.

Brazil is a basket case? Quell surprise?

I heard rumours that America once made an IFV that sucked when it came out, we should cut ties with them too... The Bradley is the worst thing since the Bradley.

SAAB is promising work, America is promising killing our auto industry as well as our steel, aluminum, and lumber industries. We should definitely choose the people who are promising to destroy our industries over those promising to expand them.