Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[Altair]

I hear that Quebec Liberals might be looking for a new leader soon…

I think they want François-Philippe Champagne. I don't think anyone else moves the needle for them.

 

[Czech_pivo]

I think they want François-Philippe Champagne. I don't think anyone else moves the needle for them.

I don’t see him going anywhere at the moment.

 

[MilEME09]

Looking at the polls, I'd say somewhere in the middle is likely for both. Liberals around 40, cpc around 38/39. Basically neck and neck when accounting for margin of error. However we havent seen what the impact of the latest economic data, or this latest defection might do to this.

 

[Jarnhamar]

So I agree that there is indeed precedent it is rare.

In 1996 David Kilgour and John Bryden both left the Liberal party to sit as independents.

In 2005 Belinda Stronach and Wajid Khan both left the Conservative party and joined the Liberal party within 4 months of one another.

In 2013 Eve Adams and Brent Rathgeber both left the Conservative party to sit as independents.


It's indeed rare but not unprecedented.
I'm shocked more CPC MP's haven't jumped ship sooner.

 

[MilEME09]

In 1996 David Kilgour and John Bryden both left the Liberal party to sit as independents.

In 2005 Belinda Stronach and Wajid Khan both left the Conservative party and joined the Liberal party within 4 months of one another.

In 2013 Eve Adams and Brent Rathgeber both left the Conservative party to sit as independents.


It's indeed rare but not unprecedented.
I'm shocked more CPC MP's haven't jumped ship sooner.

Since 1897 floor crossings have happened over 300 times, 55 times MPs have crossed twice, and 9 have done a triple cross

 

[Czech_pivo]

Looking at the polls, I'd say somewhere in the middle is likely for both. Liberals around 40, cpc around 38/39. Basically neck and neck when accounting for margin of error. However we havent seen what the impact of the latest economic data, or this latest defection might do to this.

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The average numbers are 41 Libs and 37 for the Cons. So a 4 point lead for the government.

 

[ArmyRick]

This is some seriously unhinged copium.

Ok, Thesaurus-with-opinions, your taking a dig at me, so don't cry when I respond in kind. I am a way bigger asshole than you could ever hope to be. And yes, as much of a knuckle dragging primate that I am, I can understand words or at least use google to get the meaning of 2 or more syllable words.

Care to explain why you don't think any of the Conservative front benchers would be able to run the party? So enlighten us, without a condescending tone, who you think should step up and lead th CPC? Don't bother saying Rona A or Lisa Rait, neither is interested.

You might want to revisit your comments from the last 5 years or so (I had a really slow day at work), your actually wrong about things way more than you end up being correct.

Look up crashout next.

Fair enough, don't cry like a little bitch when I treat you in kind. Your reactive responses, and obsession with ending PP career (like you were two months ago when D'Entremont crossed) is very telling. Maybe like most Liberals, Pierre scares you. Have you get a suggestion as to who should lead the CPC? Lets hear it.

How many here took the time to hear or read Joe Tay's statement against Michael Ma? He was the original conservative candidate who was intimidated by the CCP last election with the threats of bounty paid to his captures. Was forced to drop out and until 3 days ago, a close friend of Michael Ma.

If this is the measure of who Michael Ma is, then the Liberals can have him with pride.

For me? Pierre either stays or goes. I have asked for him to stay through my local party reps. If he goes, he goes. He has served 20+ years, drove Trudeau and Singh out of office, gained 20+ seats for the party election and hasn't buckled on his principles or his stance.

Like I warned some of you, the replacement may very well be someone that destroys the Liberals for years to come. Remeber when the Liberals thought they were 'the natural governing party" of Canada and then 2011, third place.

PM Mark Carney does NOT have the charm that Trudeau once had (before they saw through him)

Liberals all flash and dance, no function or practicality.

 

[suffolkowner]

David Emerson's crossing before the House even sat in 2006 was pretty crazy

 

[Remius]

Ok, Thesaurus-with-opinions, your taking a dig at me, so don't cry when I respond in kind. I am a way bigger asshole than you could ever hope to be. And yes, as much of a knuckle dragging primate that I am, I can understand words or at least use google to get the meaning of 2 or more syllable words.

Care to explain why you don't think any of the Conservative front benchers would be able to run the party? So enlighten us, without a condescending tone, who you think should step up and lead th CPC? Don't bother saying Rona A or Lisa Rait, neither is interested.

You might want to revisit your comments from the last 5 years or so (I had a really slow day at work), your actually wrong about things way more than you end up being correct.


Fair enough, don't cry like a little bitch when I treat you in kind. Your reactive responses, and obsession with ending PP career (like you were two months ago when D'Entremont crossed) is very telling. Maybe like most Liberals, Pierre scares you. Have you get a suggestion as to who should lead the CPC? Lets hear it.

How many here took the time to hear or read Joe Tay's statement against Michael Ma? He was the original conservative candidate who was intimidated by the CCP last election with the threats of bounty paid to his captures. Was forced to drop out and until 3 days ago, a close friend of Michael Ma.

If this is the measure of who Michael Ma is, then the Liberals can have him with pride.

For me? Pierre either stays or goes. I have asked for him to stay through my local party reps. If he goes, he goes. He has served 20+ years, drove Trudeau and Singh out of office, gained 20+ seats for the party election and hasn't buckled on his principles or his stance.

Like I warned some of you, the replacement may very well be someone that destroys the Liberals for years to come. Remeber when the Liberals thought they were 'the natural governing party" of Canada and then 2011, third place.

PM Mark Carney does NOT have the charm that Trudeau once had (before they saw through him)

Liberals all flash and dance, no function or practicality.

I get the feeling you are taking this hard.

 

[ArmyRick]

I get the feeling you are taking this hard.

Nope. Like your view on politics, you can't read people either. Precisely zero hours or minutes of sleep lost over this.

 

[brihard]

Fair enough, don't cry like a little bitch when I treat you in kind. Your reactive responses, and obsession with ending PP career (like you were two months ago when D'Entremont crossed) is very telling. Maybe like most Liberals, Pierre scares you. Have you get a suggestion as to who should lead the CPC? Lets hear it.

Yeeeeaahhh… Pierre isn’t scaring anyone in the LPC camp, and him winning his leadership review would probably be most welcome by the liberals. The utterly have the measure of him, and can point to years without accomplishments and a failure to adapt post-Trudeau. Any residual fear they may have had evaporated the night he lost his seat of many years to a nobody, and then had to parachute into the safest riding In the country. I won’t pretend to know who would be a viable successor, but I’m confident the LPC would be just peachy to continue having an unsteady hand at the helm of the CPC.

Which I consider to be unfortunate. I think Canada is best served when we have a strong and stable opposition focused on holding the government to account on core matters of policy, and who offer detailed and nuanced counterpoints.

 

[Remius]

Nope. Like your view on politics, you can't read people either. Precisely zero hours or minutes of sleep lost over this.

Get some rest.

 

[ArmyRick]

but I’m confident the LPC would be just peachy to continue having an unsteady hand at the helm of the CPC

Unlike your rather over confident self, I can admit, I may very well be wrong. Or may be right.

First step, lets see if Pierre stays or not. He he goes we get a new leader, there is most likely a few months before the NDP are ready to pull the plug on the LPC.

If he stays, we shall see. Based on YOUR comments from the last 5 years or so (I had a really, really slow day at work), you may want to o back review some of your predictions and comments, then "look inside yourself, Rosy" to quote Mark C.

 

[ArmyRick]

Get some rest.

I will. I was tickled when I found the comment in 2022 where you said Pierre was a great MP (Thats was decent of you and you were not being sarcastic either). In all fairness, you also felt he shouldn't lead the CPC in the same paragraph.

 

[IKnowNothing]

I am a way bigger asshole than you could ever hope to be.

Wierd flex- I accept your claim.

.Care to explain why you don't think any of the Conservative front benchers would be able to run the party?

Why would I explain something I never said? I never said anything about them not being able to lead the party. What I did was point out their past leadership endorsements and alignment within the CPC tent (PC moderates) prior to adapting to life under PP- mocking the idea that they're a group of lib crushing zealots that PP is keeping restrained.

So enlighten us, without a condescending tone,

Michael Chong would be my choice with Mackay and Ambrose out of politics. MRG would be okay as well once she takes off the mask.


As to my record on politics, get some right, get some wrong, but pretty sure I called Carney and a LPC shift to the centre as a major threat to PP multiple times dating back to 2022 CPC leadership

 

[Remius]

Yeeeeaahhh… Pierre isn’t scaring anyone in the LPC camp, and him winning his leadership review would probably be most welcome by the liberals. The utterly have the measure of him, and can point to years without accomplishments and a failure to adapt post-Trudeau. Any residual fear they may have had evaporated the night he lost his seat of many years to a nobody, and then had to parachute into the safest riding In the country. I won’t pretend to know who would be a viable successor, but I’m confident the LPC would be just peachy to continue having an unsteady hand at the helm of the CPC.

Which I consider to be unfortunate. I think Canada is best served when we have a strong and stable opposition focused on holding the government to account on core matters of policy, and who offer detailed and nuanced counterpoints.

Agreed.

I wish the CPC wasn’t headed towards the fringe. Next best thing though is a new alliance of red Tories and blue grits. I am optimistic we are seeing a new resurgent centre.

The CFP had a lot of interesting things in their platform and this is as close as we might get to that.

 

[ArmyRick]

Michael Chong

Can't argue that choice, he would be excellent. If he took over, or anyone, there will be the usual character assassination that goes on. Its not limited to the CPC, it was done to former Liberal MP Ruby Dhalla last winter (Reminder)

 

[Remius]

I will. I was tickled when I found the comment in 2022 where you said Pierre was a great MP (Thats was decent of you and you were not being sarcastic either). In all fairness, you also felt he shouldn't lead the CPC in the same paragraph.

He was, he should have stayed as an MP and out of leadership. He might still have his seat.

My favourite part was when you said he would be MY prime minister. But meh. Your rants are good entertainment.

I look forward to the fire breathing harpy you say is coming to devour Carney.

 

[ArmyRick]

I wish the CPC wasn’t headed towards the fringe

Fringe? How so? Elaborate, use your words. Build more homes? repeal stupid laws? Kick start the energy sector for real (rather than talk about it)? Deal with crime? Is that fringe?

 

[ArmyRick]

he would be MY prime minister

He isn't out of politics yet. I remember when people swore Harper would never be PM, especially after losing to artin in 2004. And then he would only be PM for "a few months". History taught us different, right?

And don't forget, 4 years ago you thought he was a great MP.