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Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

Agreed.

I wish the CPC wasn’t headed towards the fringe. Next best thing though is a new alliance of red Tories and blue grits. I am optimistic we are seeing a new resurgent centre.

The CFP had a lot of interesting things in their platform and this is as close as we might get to that.
I wish the defection(s) had've come in the form of a group moving collectively to the CFP, staying true to their conservatism but working across the aisle in a constructive manner.

Clearer and more principled repudiation IMO, and more legislative leverage
 
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I wish the defection(s) had of come in the form of a group moving collectively to the CFP, staying true to their conservatism but working across the aisle in a constructive manner.
Agreed. Having two viable options is where I want to be able to see how I vote. But starting a new party is not easy. They had my vote until Carney entered the ring.
Clearer and more principled repudiation IMO, and more legislative leverage
Would be nice. I think James Moore would be a good choice assuming he would jump back in.
 
Unlike your rather over confident self, I can admit, I may very well be wrong. Or may be right.

First step, lets see if Pierre stays or not. He he goes we get a new leader, there is most likely a few months before the NDP are ready to pull the plug on the LPC.

If he stays, we shall see. Based on YOUR comments from the last 5 years or so (I had a really, really slow day at work), you may want to o back review some of your predictions and comments, then "look inside yourself, Rosy" to quote Mark C.
What do the Liberals need? One member from all the parties to vote with them? I think theyll be fine and I wont hold my breath waiting on the NDP bringing them down
 
Unlike your rather over confident self, I can admit, I may very well be wrong. Or may be right.

First step, lets see if Pierre stays or not. He he goes we get a new leader, there is most likely a few months before the NDP are ready to pull the plug on the LPC.

If he stays, we shall see. Based on YOUR comments from the last 5 years or so (I had a really, really slow day at work), you may want to o back review some of your predictions and comments, then "look inside yourself, Rosy" to quote Mark C.
Of course I’ve gotten some things wrong. I’ve got no problem saying that- case in point, NDP crashed out utterly in a way I failed to anticipate. There’s one for you; there have been others.

None of what you just said contradicts my point. CPC may or may not change leaders. I lean towards probably not if the status quo remains; he has a very solid grasp of the party and there’s no heir apparent. If he manages to drive out yet another MP or two and hands PMMC a majority, all bets are off. And if he does that, it also means the CPC broadly are staring at three more years in opposition, and have time to consider their next moves. With that additional time, they may decide to take on a longer leadership replacement cycle.

Poilievre led the CPC to objectively strong results in the election, yet still lost decisively and showed himself personally to be a vulnerability. And the party’s position has only weakened since, as evidenced by the lengths they went to to literally hide from the possibility of a budget election. With the loss of three MPs in quick succession, he’s on a tightrope and he knows it. LPC would be happy to see him keep walking it, focusing on keeping his own footing rather than offering a meaningful challenge.
 
First step, lets see if Pierre stays or not. He he goes we get a new leader, there is most likely a few months before the NDP are ready to pull the plug on the LPC.
If Carney gets one more MP I will be glad to not hear about the 101 ways you predict there will be an election.

Majority governments are great like that.
 
So Liberal cheerleaders, PM Mark Carney and his brand of liberals have got 1 bill passed and enacted into law in 8 months (Bill C5, which isn't getting used), ONE! Hell, even I can count that high.

It was pro Liberal pundit who brought this up the other day. Even JT had a better record than that, when the house was seized in a question of privilege last year.

However PM MC has set a new record for travel time around the globe for a PM in such a short time, getting how many treaties and trade deals signed? Zero, notta one. Just promises, commitments and memorandums of understanding.

Not helping us stop the job loss bleeding like an open wound but what the hey, good news, Brookfield shares are up!

Its not the fault of the CPC. There is also a party known as the Bloc, and 7 seven independents formerly known as the NDP and 1 independent who calls herself the green party. So when a bill gets "obstructed" and the Conservatives are told to shut up (stop being the opposition party in other words) and get out of the way or get on board, its still a minority parliament, and Carney has to work with 2 parties and 8 independents, to get bills passed. Thats what he should be doing rather than trying to pass shit bills and blaming it all on the conservatives.

As for another floor crosser and Carney gets a majority? Its not a "magic line", kids. A majority parliament by 1 or 2 seats can very quickly become a minority parliament. Especially when Chrystia Freeland leaves (she already has a post political career lined up), Nathan Erskine-Smith and Steven Guibeault leave. And their are more, especially amongst the far left and disgruntled Trudeau acolytes.

Sleep well, Liberals, enjoy your tiny victories 'cause reality is coming like a speeding freight train with no brakes.
 
Ah The Beaverton. Never change.


“Reached for comment Poilievre acknowledged being frustrated by Ma’s decision, as he isn’t sure what more he could have done to make his MPs happier or more terrified.”
 
Thank-you for posting that.

I wouldn't call it a "knives out" piece, but you don't have to go far between the lines to see Jivani subtly positioning himself as representing a different approach.

The party line over the last 48 hours has been one of inflammatory indignant condemnation, contextualized by reinforcing parliament as an existential us vs. them conflict. "He was elected to fight against, to oppose, and betrayed that"

Now you've got a prominent member with growing profile almost shrugging off the crossing itself and bringing a much more conciliatory tone, talking about finding ways work across the aisle without crossing.

"The bigger issue is that there seems to be this weird narrative being established that the only way for Conservatives and Liberals to work together is for a Conservative to cross the aisle....
I think I, as a principled Conservative, can work with Liberals"


When that "weird narrative" is at best a direct byproduct of, at worst an explicit part of the current party brand and marching orders- that's a calculated statement to go public with.
 
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Thank-you for posting that.

I wouldn't call it a "knives out" piece, but you don't have to go far between the lines to see Jivani subtly positioning himself as representing a different approach.

The party line over the last 48 hours has been one of inflammatory indignant condemnation, contextualized by reinforcing parliament as an existential us vs. them conflict. "He was elected to fight against, to oppose, and betrayed that"

Now you've got a prominent member with growing profile almost shrugging off the crossing itself and bringing a much more conciliatory tone, talking about finding ways work across the aisle without crossing.
You have an adult, acting like an adult. Refreshing.
 
So Liberal cheerleaders, PM Mark Carney and his brand of liberals have got 1 bill passed and enacted into law in 8 months (Bill C5, which isn't getting used), ONE! Hell, even I can count that high.

It was pro Liberal pundit who brought this up the other day. Even JT had a better record than that, when the house was seized in a question of privilege last year.

However PM MC has set a new record for travel time around the globe for a PM in such a short time, getting how many treaties and trade deals signed? Zero, notta one. Just promises, commitments and memorandums of understanding.

Not helping us stop the job loss bleeding like an open wound but what the hey, good news, Brookfield shares are up!

Its not the fault of the CPC. There is also a party known as the Bloc, and 7 seven independents formerly known as the NDP and 1 independent who calls herself the green party. So when a bill gets "obstructed" and the Conservatives are told to shut up (stop being the opposition party in other words) and get out of the way or get on board, its still a minority parliament, and Carney has to work with 2 parties and 8 independents, to get bills passed. Thats what he should be doing rather than trying to pass shit bills and blaming it all on the conservatives.

As for another floor crosser and Carney gets a majority? Its not a "magic line", kids. A majority parliament by 1 or 2 seats can very quickly become a minority parliament. Especially when Chrystia Freeland leaves (she already has a post political career lined up), Nathan Erskine-Smith and Steven Guibeault leave. And their are more, especially amongst the far left and disgruntled Trudeau acolytes.

Sleep well, Liberals, enjoy your tiny victories 'cause reality is coming like a speeding freight train with no brakes.
Out of curiosity who here do you believe are “Liberals”, since you keep blanket-addressing members of the site that way? I can think of maybe one or two, but you play pretty fast and loose with stuff like “Liberal cheerleader”.

As for bills: They’ve actually passed 5, not 1. C-3 amending the citizenship act; C-5 for economic development, and C-6, C-7, and C-17 were appropriations bills.

Running down the list:

C-1 is always a formality to demonstrate that the house starts about its own business before deigning to hear the throne speech.

C-2 was the overshoot border/crime bill. It remains in committee but much of the content moved to C-12, which has passed the house and first reading in the Senate. Some of C-2 remains independently under consideration and a very narrowed down version on lawful access provisions for police and intelligence may yet move forward slowly through committee.

C-3, passed as noted.

C-4, tax cuts. Passed the house and first reading in the Senate, opposition has used committee to stall this, probably because it slows the government’s ability to demonstrate delivery on tax cuts.

C-5,6,7 passed.

C-8, cybersecurity bill. It’s past second reading and in committee. This one is heavy and technical and will take a while to do it right. If it was through already I’d be concerned.

C-9 hate crimes act, past second reading and in committee. This one’s contentious and will be fought in committee.

C-10, something to do with indigenous treaties. Passed first reading, just introduced Sept 25th. I suspect this is on back burner behind other priority matters.

C-11, amending military justice. Past second reading and in committee. A low weight bill that won’t be prioritized but should go through smoothly.

C-12, the aforementioned Border Bill 2: Electric Boogaloo. It went fast through the house, lots of stuff in here that probably most of us want. Senate committee will probably work on it some though.

C-13, implementing the joining of the UK to a trade treaty. C-14, bail and sentencing reform. C-15, budget implementation, C-16 domestic violence and gender based violence criminal reform (I love this one), C-18, Canada-Indonesia trade agreement implementation. These are all very recent post-budget.

So yeah, given the lateness of the budget and the relatively short fall session, I’m not disappointed. The government isn’t tabling much little stuff here that’s easy and inconsequential, Parliament has weighty stuff to chew on. Takes time when the bills matter and you have a minority that doesn’t control
Committee.

And yes- one more floor crosser is a pretty ‘magic line’ for the PM. Not just for the outright majority in the house, but, arguably more important to the pace of legislation, the ability to control committee composition and thus agendas. That removes some of the procedural tools used to slow things like the tax cut bill. Obviously a one seat majority can easily cease to be; one good job offer, medical episode, or scandal can see to that. But that goes for the opposition equally. And until it actually happens, a majority is a majority. But at least Andrew Scheer wouldn’t have to literally hide behind a curtain so the CPC can pretend they want the budget to fail. I note they dispensed with the theatrics for the three appropriations bills, any one of which could have sunk the government were the opposition actually wanting that.
 
However PM MC has set a new record for travel time around the globe for a PM in such a short time, getting how many treaties and trade deals signed? Zero, notta one. Just promises, commitments and memorandums of understanding.
Trade deals take longer than a few months to negotiate. Unless you're trump writing them on toilet paper covered in...
Not helping us stop the job loss bleeding like an open wound but what the hey, good news, Brookfield shares are up!
Canadian economy has created 181k jobs in the past three months.

Come on Armyrick, be better.
 
Trade deals take longer than a few months to negotiate. Unless you're trump writing them on toilet paper covered in...
I missed this one but Rick’s factually wrong. Canada signed the trade deal with Indonesia, and the implementation bill is, as I mentioned, currently in Parliament. Negotiating, signing, and ratifying treaties is a multi-step process.

The first ‘executive summary’ section here neatly sums up how Canada negotiates, enters into, and ratifies treaties. It’s not just the Minister of Foreign Affairs’ ink on paper:

 
I missed this one but Rick’s factually wrong. Canada signed the trade deal with Indonesia, and the implementation bill is, as I mentioned, currently in Parliament. Negotiating, signing, and ratifying treaties is a multi-step process.

The first ‘executive summary’ section here neatly sums up how Canada negotiates, enters into, and ratifies treaties. It’s not just the Minister of Foreign Affairs’ ink on paper:

It's signed but I know he's going to complain that it's not implemented yet so I didn't bother.
 
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