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[PPCLI Guy]

So I reject your premise.

Didn't see that coming

 

[Halifax Tar]

I see no reason why Grok should be set up alter pictures or AI like that. Tweak Grok to take this ability away, sure.

But its not Grok doing it independently, there is someone somewhere at a keyboard smashing those keys. Go after the people altering the photos. Being upset at Elon, or X is misplacing your anger; and honestly to me, I think this misplaced anger has more to with politics than any actual care about the subject matter.

Its like being mad at the gun and the gun manufacturer for a murder.

 

[Eaglelord17]

I see no reason why Grok should be set up alter pictures or AI like that. Tweak Grok to take this ability away, sure.

But its not Grok doing it independently, there is someone somewhere at a keyboard smashing those keys. Go after the people altering the photos. Being upset at Elon, or X is misplacing your anger; and honestly to me, I think this misplaced anger has more to with politics than any actual care about the subject matter.

Its like being mad at the gun and the gun manufacturer for a murder.

Or the photo shop program creator being sued for what someone does with the editing tools. Or the car manufacturer being sued for someone speeding. Or the alcohol distributor being sued for someone getting a DUI. Etc.

Lots of blame on the tools. Lots of refusing to acknowledge someone made it do what it did.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Or the photo shop program creator being sued for what someone does with the editing tools. Or the car manufacturer being sued for someone speeding. Or the alcohol distributor being sued for someone getting a DUI. Etc.

Lots of blame on the tools. Lots of refusing to acknowledge someone made it do what it did.

Its easier to deal with the tool than the people.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

And here I was thinking the reverse: that some people are tools!

 

[Altair]

Or the photo shop program creator being sued for what someone does with the editing tools. Or the car manufacturer being sued for someone speeding. Or the alcohol distributor being sued for someone getting a DUI. Etc.

Lots of blame on the tools. Lots of refusing to acknowledge someone made it do what it did.

You're 100 percent right, go after those doing this.

That all said, at some point one needs to go after the platform allowing this to happen.

It happened with pornhub, when they were allowing rape videos onto the platform. They tried to say "Hey, we didn't do anything, we didn't do the crime depicted, we didn't upload it" but that fell on deaf ears. Same with youtube being a place to post child porn, they were being held responsible for stuff being uploaded on their platform and they cleaned up their act. Because at some point, the platform is responsible for what people are doing on it.

X/Twitter is a especially insidious case, because the AI doing it is built into the social media platform disseminating it. 6 tabs down, Grok is right there. People can @Grok in response to any message. And people can then ask Grok to create child porn and non consensual porn and distribute it through twitter at the drop of a hat.

This isn't a arms length thing like a car manufacturer being sued for someone getting a DUI. This is a car manufacture selling cars out of a bar.

That all said, people had no issues going after pornhub, youtube, other social media sites that allowed bad actors to thrive on their platform, but when people go after musk or X/Twitter for allowing bad actors, it's controversial. That's where politics enters. If anyone else owned the platform, people would be wanting to throw the book at it.

 

[Haggis]

Elon Musk is the richest man in the world. $342B

You figure he is worried about $3 subscriptions? So people can look at naked children?

He, personally, may not care. But his employees, who are paid for the job of ensuring he remains the richest man in the world so they don't lose their jobs, certainly care about each and every $3 subscription.

 

[Jarnhamar]

8 arrests, 29 charges laid at downtown demonstrations: Toronto police​

The anti-immigration rally also prompted a counter-protest by Community Solidarity Toronto, which focused on reducing hate in the city.

Officers were punched, pelted with eggs, used toilet paper and urine bags, police association says

Used toilet paper and urine bags? I wonder which side was responsible for that one.

 

[Altair]

He, personally, may not care. But his employees, who are paid for the job of ensuring he remains the richest man in the world so they don't lose their jobs, certainly care about each and every $3 subscription.

John D. Rockefeller, the wealthiest man in the early 1900s, once gave a famous reply to a reporter who asked him, “How much money is enough?” Rockefeller answered, “Just a little bit more.”

 

[Eaglelord17]

You're 100 percent right, go after those doing this.

That all said, at some point one needs to go after the platform allowing this to happen.

It happened with pornhub, when they were allowing rape videos onto the platform. They tried to say "Hey, we didn't do anything, we didn't do the crime depicted, we didn't upload it" but that fell on deaf ears. Same with youtube being a place to post child porn, they were being held responsible for stuff being uploaded on their platform and they cleaned up their act. Because at some point, the platform is responsible for what people are doing on it.

X/Twitter is a especially insidious case, because the AI doing it is built into the social media platform disseminating it. 6 tabs down, Grok is right there. People can @Grok in response to any message. And people can then ask Grok to create child porn and non consensual porn and distribute it through twitter at the drop of a hat.

This isn't a arms length thing like a car manufacturer being sued for someone getting a DUI. This is a car manufacture selling cars out of a bar.

That all said, people had no issues going after pornhub, youtube, other social media sites that allowed bad actors to thrive on their platform, but when people go after musk or X/Twitter for allowing bad actors, it's controversial. That's where politics enters. If anyone else owned the platform, people would be wanting to throw the book at it.

Do you believe that photoshop should be responsible for someone creating child porn with it? Because people have been doing that as long as there is computers.

What I am seeing the main complaint being is how easy it is, which that is 100% true. However that is also part of the technology. There is lots of good and bad with it (personally I am on team AI should be illegal but most don’t agree with that stance). Unfortunately for the bad we are at a point in the modern era where this is much easier to do than previously and it is much harder to actually police as how much control they actually have over the technology is debatable.

 

[Altair]

Do you believe that photoshop should be responsible for someone creating child porn with it? Because people have been doing that as long as there is computers.

No I do not, but that's a terrible analogy. If Photoshop had a social media platform that had photoshop linked to it and then allowed photos created by their program to be widely and freely disseminated throughout the internet, hell yes, I would hold them responsible.

Grok creating child porn, and non consensual porn (why is everyone not mentioning that this is happening to adult women as well?), while an issue, isn't the crux of it. Groks intergration into X/Twitter allowing the creation and spread of it makes it a far more serious issue than ChatGPT or gemini doing it.

And don't get me wrong, if Facebook or reddit integrated ChatGPT into their platforms and allowed the creation and spread of child porn and non consensual porn through their platforms, I would say ban them as well.

What I am seeing the main complaint being is how easy it is, which that is 100% true. However that is also part of the technology. There is lots of good and bad with it (personally I am on team AI should be illegal but most don’t agree with that stance). Unfortunately for the bad we are at a point in the modern era where this is much easier to do than previously and it is much harder to actually police as how much control they actually have over the technology is debatable.

Elon could stop it. He could disable the abilty for Grok to edit photos right now. All he has done is limit it to those who pay the suscription, either the 3 dollar or 8 dollar one, I don't know, but that's not acceptable as a response. Making the creation and spread of this filth a perk of suscription to X/Twitter is absolutely reprehensible.

 

[Altair]

The ethically challenged Evan Solomon and Mark Carney power dance may lead to the end of Canada - Halifax Examiner

Do we really think that a Canadian government that can't find the moral clarity to act against a child abuse platform will resist a multi-pronged American assault on Canadian sovereignty?

www.halifaxexaminer.ca

A thought experiment:

You walk into the corner store down the street from your house and you see the owner is selling kiddie porn. It’s not even hidden in the backroom; the most disturbingly vile stuff imaginable is openly displayed.

You are of course disgusted, and leave in anger. You talk to your neighbours, and they too are disgusted. But the corner store is doing great business. A bunch of pervy men line up all day long to buy an endless supply of kiddie porn.

Something must be done, so you call the police. The cops say they can’t do anything because selling kiddie porn isn’t against the law. This confuses you as there’s a long history of men being charged and convicted of making and circulating kiddie porn. The store owner must have some connections, you think.

So you call the town officials. They also tell you that there’s not a law against selling kiddie porn on your street, but they’re working on passing such a law. The law will have to be drafted by a committee that will do a jurisdictional scan of such legislation across the country, then it will be reviewed by the town’s legal department before it is debated by the town council at a public hearing that includes input from corner store owners, including the guy who owns the store on your street.

The town officials tell you that after that process plays out, maybe then the law against selling kiddie porn will be passed, and if that guy continues to sell it, he’ll be charged. Or maybe only his customers will be charged. Depends on how the law is written and how the courts interpret it.

This frustrates you to no end. The pervy men are lining up outside the corner street day after day. But there’s nothing you can do about it, so you just have to accept it, at least until the law is passed.

But then you notice something: the cops and the town officials are shopping at the corner store that sells kiddie porn. You ask them: “How can you patronize this place that is selling the most vile kiddie porn?!”

“It’s convenient,” they say, shrugging.

That is what is happening with X, Elon Musk’s child abuse imagery platform. Through its artificial image generation tool Grok, the social media platform has been creating and spreading sexualized imagery of real people, including children, which is child sexual abuse material (CSAM).

And, as I noted Friday, not only are police not doing anything about it, they themselves are using the platform — they are customers at the corner store selling kiddie porn.

I mean, naturally the government, the opposition, provincial governments, provincial opposition, municipal, ect, uses Twitter all the time. How can they bring themselves to ban the child porn platform if they are users of the child porn platform?

 

[YZT580]

8 arrests, 29 charges laid at downtown demonstrations: Toronto police​

The anti-immigration rally also prompted a counter-protest by Community Solidarity Toronto, which focused on reducing hate in the city.



Used toilet paper and urine bags? I wonder which side was responsible for that one.

Which group was throwing the urine? It matters because they chose to go armed and prepared to rumble rather than just demonstrating their position on the issues. Their actions do not represent freedom of speech but anarchy and should be treated accordingly

 

[mariomike]

Which group was throwing the urine? It matters because they chose to go armed and prepared to rumble rather than just demonstrating their position on the issues. Their actions do not represent freedom of speech but anarchy and should be treated accordingly

Interested viewers can check out the live-streams,

Post in thread 'Is it time to list ANTIFA as a criminal or terrorist organization?'

Saturday at 18:28

Travelfun69 livestreamed the four-hour Canada First rally at Nathan Phillips Square today,

Promised it was "Definitely going to be spicy".

Mounted Unii in action. Massive number of Metro Police and Paramedics ( just in case ).

Johnny Strides also livestreamed it on his channel.

In case any readers are interested,

• mariomike

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[Jarnhamar]

Which group was throwing the urine?

I have my suspicions but no concrete answer.

 

[Lumber]

Its easier to deal with the tool than the people.

Ummm... isn't this the argument that the anti-gun crowd use? Are you no longer pro-gun ownership?

 

[brihard]

I have my suspicions but no concrete answer.

From what I’ve heard it was the counter protesters.

The “Canada First” crew with their racist remigration rhetoric are odious to me, and if people want to show up and counter protest, cool, that’s how it goes in a free society. However those specific behaviours - assaults, throwing of piss and such - are disgustingly and unacceptable. I’m glad TPS made arrests and laid charges.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Ummm... isn't this the argument that the anti-gun crowd use? Are you no longer pro-gun ownership?

I'm not agreeing with it, I'm just stating the methodology.

One must understand their enemy to defeat them.

 

[Jarnhamar]

From what I’ve heard it was the counter protesters.

Odious and odorous.Throwing feces and urine on cops is a weird way to drum up support for immigrants.

I bet the TPS are glad they covered their face.