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Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

Jarnhamar said:
1. Can the Liberal Party claim to encourage Canadians to invest in Canada when leaders like Carney hold significant investments abroad?
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Yes. I don't see why one negates the other.


Jarnhamar said:
2. Does Carney’s push for Canadians to “support domestic growth” conflict with his own personal or professional financial ties outside Canada?
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No. I fail to see how previously established investments elsewhere negate advocating future investment in Canada, which is why I asked you my original 3 questions, all of which you answered "no".

-Do you have to divest US stocks in order to make more Canadian investments?

-Has PM Carney encouraged Canadians to divest their US investments in order to boost investment in Canada?

-Would divesting his US portfolio help the Canadian economy?

Jarnhamar said:
3. Is it hypocritical for the Liberals to urge Canadian investment at home while seemingly prioritizing foreign markets themselves?
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In what way? Are you referring to MC holding foreign investments prior to entering politics? Or actual government policy?
 
Mick said:
In what way? Are you referring to MC holding foreign investments prior to entering politics? Or actual government policy?
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Now we're cooking with Canola. They publicly urge Canadians to invest domestically while the government simultaneously prioritizes trade, capital flows, and market access abroad through its own policy choices.

The issue isn’t so much personal investments, it’s the contradiction between the messaging to Canadians and the government’s economic posture.

Think politicians telling Canadians to stay home and respect covid19 mask rules - from their hotel room on vacation in Jamaica.
 
Jarnhamar said:
They do. They can also act like hypocrites when they urge this and turn around and invest in foreign countries themselves.
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Are you referring to governments investing? Or politicians holding investment portfolios?
Jarnhamar said:
For example, Carney has investments in something like 150+ US companies, and 30ish European conpanies. Do you know how many Canadian companies he has stock in? I can give you a hint if you'd like.
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No idea. I know that these predate his entry into politics.
Jarnhamar said:
During the election it was heavily implied patriotic Canadians should invest more in Canada, and we should get away from US contracts and such. Meanwhile US contracts were business as usual.
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From the Liberal platform:

Buy Canadian​

President Trump’s tariffs are fundamentally restructuring global trade and Canadian businesses are anxious about lost customers and jobs. In this time of crisis, Canadian businesses need to know that domestic demand is there. It’s time for the Government of Canada to give Canadian companies due consideration in federal procurement. Buying Canadian gives companies the confidence to build, to hire, and to stand strong in the face of this crisis.

At a time when our economy is under threat, consumers want to do their part as patriotic Canadians, buying things that are truly made here. But sometimes figuring out what is a Canadian product is hard.

A Mark Carney-led government will:

  • Make it easy for Canadians to Buy Canadian. Working with retailers, agricultural producers, manufacturers, food and beverage companies, and by maximizing Canada’s supply chain we will increase transparency and increase stringency in origin of product labelling so that it is simple, clear, and easy to identify what is a truly Canadian product. To help make this happen, we will provide support to help manufacturers adapt and for the Competition Bureau to enforce these new requirements.
  • Deploy a made-in-Canada procurement strategy that prioritizes, whenever possible, Canadian suppliers and supply chains, and limiting bidders from foreign suppliers to bidding only on what we have agreed to in Canada’s Free Trade Agreements. We will prioritize Canadian contractors in our defence procurement, including the Canadian aerospace industry. Crown Corporations with major capital acquisitions, like VIA Rail, will also be encouraged to meet this standard.
  • Buy Canadian clean by prioritizing Government of Canada purchases to be low carbon emission and when applicable, sustainability certified products and materials. This includes building materials, vehicle fleets, and other goods and services. We will support clean growth in Canada, create jobs, and support Canadian business.
  • Establish Buy Canadian standards for federal infrastructure funding including maximizing Canadian steel, aluminum, and forestry products.
  • Leverage government funding to prioritize and procure Canadian-built vehicles,catalyzing domestic investment to grow the Canadian auto industry.
  • Bet on Canadian innovators and entrepreneurs by leveraging the government’s purchasing power to drive Canadian innovation, solving Canadian problems in new ways, and improving efficiency and service delivery, while supporting our small and medium-sized businesses.
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I don't see any mention of telling Canadians to buy Canadian stocks, or ditch foreign investments in order to do so.
 
Mick said:
Are you referring to governments investing? Or politicians holding investment portfolios?
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The hypocrisy is in urging Canadians to keep capital at home while the government itself prioritizes foreign markets, trade deals, and external investment over domestic investment.

Politician investment portfolios can be tricky if they're publicly calling for one thing while personally doing something else. Back to do as I say not as I do.

Mick said:
No idea. I know that these predate his entry into politics.
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They do. When I looked at the report he had stock in 3 Canadian companies. Easy to argue Carney personally benefits from a stronger America. Politics often comes down to optics.
 
Jarnhamar said:
Now we're cooking with Canola. They publicly urge Canadians to invest domestically while the government simultaneously prioritizes trade, capital flows, and market access abroad through its own policy choices.

The issue isn’t so much personal investments, it’s the contradiction between the messaging to Canadians and the government’s economic posture.

Think politicians telling Canadians to stay home and respect covid19 mask rules - from their hotel room on vacation in Jamaica.
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I don't understand why you believe these are mutually exclusive?

We're a trading nation. Developing trade with other countries while encouraging "Buy Canadian" at home (especially government purchases where feasible) isn't controversial or hypocritical.
 
Mick said:
I don't understand why you believe these are mutually exclusive?

We're a trading nation. Developing trade with other countries while encouraging "Buy Canadian" at home (especially government purchases where feasible) isn't controversial or hypocritical.
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The hypocrisy comes from emphasis and outcomes. When the government tells Canadianss to keep capital at home while its own policy choices consistently prioritize foreign market access and overseas investment over domestic capacity, the messaging stops lining up with the behaviour.
 
Jarnhamar said:
The hypocrisy comes from emphasis and outcomes. When the government tells Canadianss to keep capital at home while its own policy choices consistently prioritize foreign market access and overseas investment over domestic capacity, the messaging stops lining up with the behaviour.
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That's the reality of a being a smaller country with a smaller population.

Again, the 2 concepts aren't mutually exclusive.

Is the solution to stop encouraging "Buy Canadian", or stop securing foreign market access?
 
Altair said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/2011987115056222397

Interesting poll.

I am sharing it because I find it interesting, with the full respect of the decision made here
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I have seen this pop up a few times in my SM algorithm.

I would have worded the options differently:

If Canada were to face a situation in which the USA were to use force against Canadian territory what would be your primary response:

a) Personally take up arms and defend Canada, be it uniformed or partisan, even if the outcome is uncertain; or
b) Personally avoid confrontation and attempt to maintain some personal normalcy in your life.
 
Halifax Tar said:
I have seen this pop up a few times in my SM algorithm.

I would have worded the options differently:

If Canada were to face a situation in which the USA were to use force against Canadian territory what would be your primary response:

a) Personally take up arms and defend Canada, be it uniformed or partisan, even if the outcome is uncertain; or
b) Personally avoid confrontation and attempt to maintain some personal normalcy in your life.
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The results are pretty damning either way.
 
Halifax Tar said:
I have seen this pop up a few times in my SM algorithm.

I would have worded the options differently:

If Canada were to face a situation in which the USA were to use force against Canadian territory what would be your primary response:

a) Personally take up arms and defend Canada, be it uniformed or partisan, even if the outcome is uncertain; or
b) Personally avoid confrontation and attempt to maintain some personal normalcy in your life.
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LOL - don't answer that question in any manner.

You're answer might just decide your fate if the question being asked does occur.
 
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