Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[RangerRay]

Trump: If Carney can get a deal with China, he ‘should do that’

U.S. President Donald Trump was asked to respond to news that Prime Minister Carney and Chinese President Xi Jinping came to an agreement on trade.

www.ctvnews.ca

Response from Trump.

He must’ve got a call from Xi and Vlad…

 

[Czech_pivo]

The results are pretty damning either way.

I'd like to see the responses if the question was asked under the scenario of a US President, who was a Democrat, was saying/doing similar things to Canada and the world as this current one is.

Wonder if the Conversative supporters would change their responses - just like I wonder if the Liberal/NDP supporters would.

Also interesting to see the response from the NDP supporters since a significant number of them have always wanted to defund/defang the CAF and the Police. So many 'Project Plowshares' among their faithful.

 

[Halifax Tar]

LOL - don't answer that question in any manner.

You're answer might just decide your fate if the question being asked does occur.

I don't have a choice.

 

[Altair]

I'd like to see the responses if the question was asked under the scenario of a US President, who was a Democrat, was saying/doing similar things to Canada and the world as this current one is.

Considering we've had Democrat, Republican, Democrat, Republican, and only one side has tried to go out of their way to hurt Canada, I suppose we will never find out.

Wonder if the Conversative supporters would change their responses - just like I wonder if the Liberal/NDP supporters would.

I have no doubt the Conservative supporters would change their position. Again, that's damning.

Also interesting to see the response from the NDP supporters since a significant number of them have always wanted to defund/defang the CAF and the Police. So many 'Project Plowshares' among their faithful.

They probably foolishly thought we didn't face threats in our hemisphere. Silly them.

 

[suffolkowner]

Considering we've had Democrat, Republican, Democrat, Republican, and only one side has tried to go out of their way to hurt Canada, I suppose we will never find out.

I have no doubt the Conservative supporters would change their position. Again, that's damning.

They probably foolishly thought we didn't face threats in our hemisphere. Silly them.

Trump is a RINO. Ill await judgement on his successors

 

[Halifax Tar]

Also interesting to see the response from the NDP supporters since a significant number of them have always wanted to defund/defang the CAF and the Police. So many 'Project Plowshares' among their faithful.

That's the progressive trait of wanting the hard things done but not wanting to do it themselves.

 

[Altair]

Trump is a RINO. Ill await judgement on his successors

The party is his.

All the key people in place in the party are his people.

He dominates the primaries contests to ensure his people get in.

The Republican party is MAGA and MAGA is the Republican party. A few senators who were there before him and will be there after him exist but make no mistake, they are not running the party.

 

[suffolkowner]

The party is his.

All the key people in place in the party are his people.

He dominates the primaries contests to ensure his people get in.

The Republican party is MAGA and MAGA is the Republican party. A few senators who were there before him and will be there after him exist but make no mistake, they are not running the party.

very possible. Only way to know will be when he is no longer the President

 

[PPCLI Guy]

The hypocrisy is in urging Canadians to keep capital at home while the government itself prioritizes foreign markets, trade deals, and external investment over domestic investment.

We are a trading nation whose domestic output is vastly greater than our domestic demand. I would be very upset if the government (of any stripe) wasn't working at all times to protect and or grow the access to foreign markets that Canadian prosperity relies on.

 

[Jarnhamar]

We are a trading nation whose domestic output is vastly greater than our domestic demand. I would be very upset if the government (of any stripe) wasn't working at all times to protect and or grow the access to foreign markets that Canadian prosperity relies on.

Of course. That's an example of the messaging lining up with policy.

 

[Mick]

Of course. That's an example of the messaging lining up with policy.

Buying Canadian and opening / developing new market access for Canadian goods are both stated policies in the 2025 LPC platform.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Buying Canadian and opening / developing new market access for Canadian goods are both stated policies in the 2025 LPC platform.

Right, the Buy Canadian procurement policy.

I recall it initially only applied to larger contracts above certain dollar thresholds and did not cover all federal purchases right away. That left many smaller contracts outside the scope of the promised prioritization. That undermined the earlier broad messaging that the government would ensure Canadian suppliers are prioritized in all spending.

That is an example of the messaging not aligning with policy.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Also interesting to see the response from the NDP supporters since a significant number of them have always wanted to defund/defang the CAF and the Police. So many 'Project Plowshares' among their faithful.

When it comes to Team Orange, my WAG is that this suggests that as a group, their anti-militarism is only trumped (no pun intended) by their anti-Americanism.

 

[RangerRay]

Also interesting to see the response from the NDP supporters since a significant number of them have always wanted to defund/defang the CAF and the Police. So many 'Project Plowshares' among their faithful.

Yes I remember many arguments I had with these types back in the 90’s.

Me: we need to increase defence spending

Them: we don’t need to. The Americans will defend us

Me: well in that case, go out to the flagpole, take down the Maple Leaf, and salute the Stars and Stripes going up the flagpole.

Them: …oh don’t be silly


Later…

Them: oh those damn American capitalist pigs…

 

[Mick]

Right, the Buy Canadian procurement policy.

I recall it initially only applied to larger contracts above certain dollar thresholds and did not cover all federal purchases right away. That left many smaller contracts outside the scope of the promised prioritization. That undermined the earlier broad messaging that the government would ensure Canadian suppliers are prioritized in all spending.

That is an example of the messaging not aligning with policy.

You keep moving the goalposts.

Somehow you've gone from Mark Carney's pre-politics investments are hypocritical (they aren't), to Buy Canadian policy being mutually exclusive of accessing foreign markets for Canadian goods (it isn't), while also sending a confused policy message (it doesn't) to now claiming the Buy Canadian policy is not going far enough?

Prime Minister Carney announces new measures to protect and transform Canada’s steel and lumber industries

Canada’s new government has moved quickly to protect and strengthen the sectors most affected by U.S. tariffs – introducing new measures to help workers gain new skills, support businesses as they modernise and diversify, and boost domestic demand for Canadian goods.

www.pm.gc.ca

Buy Canadian - Canada.ca

Find out how purchases from Canadian suppliers are being prioritized and processes are being streamlined for small and medium-sized Canadian businesses.

www.canada.ca

 

[Czech_pivo]

Right, the Buy Canadian procurement policy.

I recall it initially only applied to larger contracts above certain dollar thresholds and did not cover all federal purchases right away. That left many smaller contracts outside the scope of the promised prioritization. That undermined the earlier broad messaging that the government would ensure Canadian suppliers are prioritized in all spending.

That is an example of the messaging not aligning with policy.

The threshold in Ontario is 25m.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Japan, Korea, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Vietnam, India, etc., and that's just in the Indo-Pacific.

When you look toward the EU, and more broadly Europe there are plenty more nations.

China makes some sense in that we are selling things to them, but we need to be very careful about what we buy from them.

Agreed.

My 4 areas of concern re: China.
1. They now have leverage over us. Will we pull back on Pacific military and security operations, and especially equipment purchases from South Korea.
2. Chinese companies have commercially raped Canadian mining, forestry, pulp, steel, aluminum, technology, real estate and financial organizations, we’ve done very little to prevent them from doing it all again.
3. Chinese real estate tourism. There will be pressure to lift recent restrictions on foreign buyers to accommodate Chinese real estate investors. This was the principal cause of the outrageous jump in housing prices in BC for nearly 20 years straight. That must never be allowed to happen again.
4. We still do not have a meaningful foreign registry, we still have organizations from China arriving to set up shop here. That needs to stop.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Agreed.

My 4 areas of concern re: China.
1. They now have leverage over us. Will we pull back on Pacific military and security operations, and especially equipment purchases from South Korea.
2. Chinese companies have commercially raped Canadian mining, forestry, pulp, steel, aluminum, technology, real estate and financial organizations, we’ve done very little to prevent them from doing it all again.
3. Chinese real estate tourism. There will be pressure to lift recent restrictions on foreign buyers to accommodate Chinese real estate investors. This was the principal cause of the outrageous jump in housing prices in BC for nearly 20 years straight. That must never be allowed to happen again.
4. We still do not have a meaningful foreign registry, we still have organizations from China arriving to set up shop here. That needs to stop.

1) In this emerging world, I think everyone is going to try and have leverage over everyone. I don’t know what else can be done for the time being.
2) That fall on both the federal and provincial governments to actually do their bloody jobs and regulate where and when necessary.
3) Agree that should never have been allowed to occur - the greed that allowed that to happen is sickening
4) That needs to occur ASAP. I would also say that an expansion of the number of CSIS operatives should be expanded as well. Lots of work for them to be doing here in Canada.

Sometimes I wish I was 22yrs old again and had all these huge career opportunities in front of me to experience.

 

[RangerRay]

I think Michael Kovrig knows of what he speaks.

Michael Kovrig (@kovrig)

When Beijing says relations have “turned around,” it’s not reassurance — it’s a test. Thursday's PRC Foreign Ministry readout of talks with Canada’s PM is packed with familiar phrases: mutual respect, core interests, seeking common ground, pragmatic cooperation. That language isn’t descriptive...

substack.com

 

[Jarnhamar]

You keep moving the goalposts.

Somehow you've gone from Mark Carney's pre-politics investments are hypocritical (they aren't), to Buy Canadian policy being mutually exclusive of accessing foreign markets for Canadian goods (it isn't), while also sending a confused policy message (it doesn't) to now claiming the Buy Canadian policy is not going far enough?

The government messages Canadians should invest domestically while its policies and contracts often favour foreign markets. That's separate from any individual politician’s personal investments, but I think can still be relatable in terms of optics.

The government repeatedly framed Buy Canadian as prioritizing Canadian suppliers, the actual policy initially only applies to larger federal procurements (as you posted)

Buy Canadian Policy: The good, the bad and the ugly - CCPA

On December 16, the federal government’s Buy Canadian Policy officially came into effect. This is the first step towards fulfilling the Buy Canadian Policy as laid out in September, when the federal government announced its intent to favour Canadian suppliers and materials within public...

www.policyalternatives.ca

Do you disagree that the governments initial messaging about Canadian suppliers were being prioritized in all spending was misleading?

Somehow you've gone from Mark Carney's pre-politics investments are hypocritical

It sounds like I could add some clarity. Could you remind me exactly where I said his pre-politics investments are hypocritical?