Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[Furniture]

We just need an official opposition to do the same and we might actually have a serious parliament for once

As much as I'm sure it pains you, the current official opposition is the same official opposition that lead us to this current awakening of national pride and interest in realpolitik.

We had a "real" official opposition when they "verbed the noun" (which is the essential sentence structure in any language), and forced the LPC to get back to reality.

Our parliament is doing exactly what it is supposed to do, govern by the will of the people.

 

[Czech_pivo]

at least you can be certain that there will never be a successful vote of non-confidence. Carney has his majority

Don’t count your chickens yet.
PP was once in a similar position.

 

[Halifax Tar]

NDP ouch.

It drives me nuts that they get more or the equivalent votes as the Bloc and less seats.

What a stupid system.

 

[Remius]

As much as I'm sure it pains you, the current official opposition is the same official opposition that lead us to this current awakening of national pride and interest in realpolitik.

They sat back to see what would happen and didn’t even take a position on that until it was too late. It is in part what led to their defeat.

We had a "real" official opposition when they "verbed the noun" (which is the essential sentence structure in any language), and forced the LPC to get back to reality.

I can conceded that, except they forgot the other important piece of being His Majesty’s Loyal Opposition. Be the government in waiting. They completely dropped the ball on that one.

Our parliament is doing exactly what it is supposed to do, govern by the will of the people.

Of course. But my point stands about a serious parliament.

 

[IKnowNothing]

As much as I'm sure it pains you, the current official opposition is the same official opposition that lead us to this current awakening of national pride and interest in realpolitik.

We had a "real" official opposition when they "verbed the noun" (which is the essential sentence structure in any language), and forced the LPC to get back to reality.

In retrospect- I can accept that. Learning experience for me. I didn't like it but it was politically effective.

But I think there's a big shift that they missed making- firstly when Carney came in, secondly when (and more importantly) when he won on a more centrist platform during a time of crisis.

To my thinking, there's should be a fundamental difference in how the opposition acts

• A- when faced with notoriously incompetent government with which they have a major philosophical divide vice a competent one that's just across the centre line
• B- when the country is facing primarily internal cost of living/ culture issues in a relatively stable world vice facing those same issues in a time of geopolitical upheaval and external threat

Sure, when the other guy is a hyper left wing idiot that you have no common ground with, and the country is safe- go hammer and tongs attack mode in a never ending campaign to bring him down. But when the situation changes, the country is under threat, and the PM changes to a demonstrably competent moderate - cover up the fangs and work with him. Switch from campaign mode to governance mode. Stop trying to manufacture the perception of separation and start trying to influence policy to narrow the gap.

The closeness of the 2025 election left the CPC in a position with significant leverage. Minority government with razor thin margins both parliamentary and polling wise. A less combative approach could have embraced the moment and worked across the aisle- using the leverage as near equals in de facto political primacy to get inside and trade support for influence, allow Carney to reject the pull of the zealots in his caucus and the remnants of the NDP.

Instead he spent a year trying to fight the same fight as he did against JT and convince the electorate he was right to do so. If polling is any indication that approach completely squandered the leverage.

 

[RangerRay]

at least you can be certain that there will never be a successful vote of non-confidence. Carney has his majority

The only reason I can see Carney wanting an election is so he can get his own people to run. I’ve read reports that he’s not impressed with his bench of Trudeau re-treads.

 

[HavokFour]

The PM is in Japan this weekend, already starting off strong.

Ms. Takaichi, who repeatedly referred to the Prime Minister as “Mark” in remarks to journalists, said the strategic partnership takes Japan and Canada to a new level.

Mr. Carney was the guest at an official dinner with Ms. Takaichi on Friday evening, where the Prime Minister presented her with a Canadian-themed cake to mark her birthday, which falls on Saturday.

The two leaders signed three memorandums of co-operation on defence and security for joint Coast Guard exercises, international emergency response and action against illegal fishing in the North Pacific. Both Canada and Japan are significantly boosting military spending, which, in Tokyo’s case, is to deter future aggression from China, among other countries.

Canada and Japan also pledged to increase joint operations and training with each other’s naval forces, and the PMO in its statement said Tokyo may join Canada’s Operation NANOOK exercises that take place in the Canadian Arctic on a near-year-round basis. NANOOK is Canada’s premier Arctic training and sovereignty operation in the North.

Japan has been an observer in past NANOOK exercises but is now considering full participation, the PMO said.

Japan may join Canadian Arctic military exercises as part of new strategic partnership

On final stop of 10-day trip, PM Carney announces deeper ties with Japan in defence, energy, critical minerals and advanced technology such as artificial intelligence

www.theglobeandmail.com

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[GR66]

Of course. But my point stands about a serious parliament.

To be fair, under JT we didn't have a serious government.

While I personally never liked PP he was the logical opposition leader for the Conservatives at the time. We had a Government that had breathy no-substance policies and the opposite to that was equally non-nuanced "common sense" counters. It worked. The bulk of the population turned their back on "Sunny Ways" and demanded a return to (common) sensible government.

Unfortunately for PP and the Conservative party events (Trump) intervened in the world of Canadian politics and the Liberals in a rare flash of insight managed to pivot to put Carney in the lead. Someone in demeanor and experience the total opposite of what JT was. When all of a sudden the Liberals didn't seem shrill and jingoistic PP's style all of a sudden didn't look like an antidote to wokeness so much as shallow messaging in complicated times.

To be honest I don't see how it could have turned out much differently. It's not like the Liberals swept away the Conservatives in the election. Polls were still looking good and PP's style is what put the spotlight on JT's ineptitude in the first place. Trying to radically change PP's personality and approach in the 11th hour wouldn't have looked genuine and may have turned off the Conservative base and it would have made zero sense to switch leaders in the middle of the election campaign when it was still unclear that Carney would be able to turn the Liberal fortunes around.

Where I see the problem is now that the Conservatives have had a chance to see which way the winds are blowing and what a Carney Prime Ministership looks like they haven't understood that the proper counter to Carney isn't the same as the proper counter to JT. Until they figure that out they will continue to falter. They need a grey man/woman in a grey suit/dress with experience and gravitas to counter Carney at the same level on the substance of his policies and his performance.

My opinion anyway.

 

[Brad Sallows]

It drives me nuts that they get more or the equivalent votes as the Bloc and less seats.

What a stupid system.

The NDP should run candidates in only one province and try to hold their vote count, then.

It should be obvious that while the national vote count is illustrative of something, it is irrelevant to elections which are decided by vote totals in ridings.

 

[Halifax Tar]

The NDP should run candidates in only one province and try to hold their vote count, then.

It should be obvious that while the national vote count is illustrative of something, it is irrelevant to elections which are decided by vote totals in ridings.

 

[IKnowNothing]

Where I see the problem is now that the Conservatives have had a chance to see which way the winds are blowing and what a Carney Prime Ministership looks like they haven't understood that the proper counter to Carney isn't the same as the proper counter to JT. Until they figure that out they will continue to falter. They need a grey man/woman in a grey suit/dress with experience and gravitas to counter Carney at the same level on the substance of his policies and his performance.

My opinion anyway.

I largely agree, but would add- IMO the right "counter" in today's political environment isn't an adversarial counter. It's a team player who is actively contributing and supporting the national effort while building a book of "See x policy? We made it better by y" that they can point to when the country is on the other side of this.

The regulatory sandbox amendment to the budget is a perfect example. It's too bad it's almost a year in.

 

[Czech_pivo]

The NDP should run candidates in only one province and try to hold their vote count, then.

It should be obvious that while the national vote count is illustrative of something, it is irrelevant to elections which are decided by vote totals in ridings.

From a financial point of view, IF an election is called within the next 6 months this might make alot of sense for them. I believe that they currently have around a 24-25million dollar Federal Party debt.

 

[MilEME09]

The PM is in Japan this weekend, already starting off strong.

Japan may join Canadian Arctic military exercises as part of new strategic partnership

On final stop of 10-day trip, PM Carney announces deeper ties with Japan in defence, energy, critical minerals and advanced technology such as artificial intelligence

www.theglobeandmail.com

Archive

I look forward to working with the JGSDF, ill be curious what their winter warefare up in Hokkaido teaches them

 

[Maxman1]

The guy who first appointed Carney and supports his approach?

The Prime Minister doesn't appoint the governor of the Bank of Canada. The Bank of Canada's board of directors selects the governor. The government can veto an appointment if they really want to, but that has basically never happened.

 

[MilEME09]

Huh, didnt know PMMC spoke a bit of Japanese

https://twitter.com/x/status/2029876013073846616

 

[Lumber]

I largely agree, but would add- IMO the right "counter" in today's political environment isn't an adversarial counter. It's a team player who is actively contributing and supporting the national effort while building a book of "See x policy? We made it better by y" that they can point to when the country is on the other side of this.

The regulatory sandbox amendment to the budget is a perfect example. It's too bad it's almost a year in.

It's like in some sports you may have your A-team play against your B-team. The B-team's role is to challenge the A-team and make sure they are at their, uhh, A-game. But, if anyone on the A-team proves to not being on the A-team, someone from the B-team gets called up. People on B-team need to be ready to take the lead, but in the interim they should be trying to make the A-team as strong as possible and they should be hoping for A-team success... except in the case you mentioned where there are massive cultural/political differences in their positions.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Huh, didnt know PMMC spoke a bit of Japanese

https://twitter.com/x/status/2029876013073846616

Not sure if its appreciated enough how little things like that go a long way around the world when you step out of your comfort zone and attempt to say a few words or a phase in another language. Its a sure way to gain some instant respect and understanding.

 

[MilEME09]

It's like in some sports you may have your A-team play against your B-team. The B-team's role is to challenge the A-team and make sure they are at their, uhh, A-game. But, if anyone on the A-team proves to not being on the A-team, someone from the B-team gets called up. People on B-team need to be ready to take the lead, but in the interim they should be trying to make the A-team as strong as possible and they should be hoping for A-team success... except in the case you mentioned where there are massive cultural/political differences in their positions.

So the reg force and the reserves #derail

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new digital trade deal with the EU coming

https://twitter.com/x/status/2029887390181921083

 

[Remius]

Pierre Poilievre proposes new anglophone alliance that excludes Donald Trump’s America

Conservative leader says Canada should link with Australia, New Zealand and the United Kingdom.

www.thestar.com

I am a fan of this.

 

[Good2Golf]

The Prime Minister doesn't appoint the governor of the Bank of Canada. The Bank of Canada's board of directors selects the governor. The government can veto an appointment if they really want to, but that has basically never happened.

If you want to get picky, the Bank of Canada’s Board of Directors nominate an appointee, but Canada’s Governor-General-in-Council issues an Order-in-Council as represented by Privy Council, specifically Cabinet, a sub-committee of the Privy Council, to approve the BoC’s Board’s appointment (ref: S6.1). PM was the Chair of Cabinet in 2008.

Perhaps I should have been more accurate to say that Harper approved the BoC Board’s appointment.