daftandbarmy
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Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???
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My experience in Japan has been that genuine efforts to be polite and respect their culture are deeply appreciated.
That the PM of Canada made an effort to say more than just an occasional arigato is likely seen as a welcome gesture of friendship and respect.
In my experience in general, most locals appreciate when you speak their language as best you can... except France. In France they look down on you as inferior. France isn't over the renaissance when French was the language of leadership and class...
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In France they look down on you if you speak Québécois French.
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I have seen that in person a few times... Its is always an odd experience.
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I have been to France 12 times in the past and on Friday my wife and I fly out to Montpellier for my 13th trip to France.
My French is just above basic and it’s what I’ve learned here in Canada. I use it extensively when I’m in France and I have never once been ‘looked down on’ when I speak it. Maybe during my 12 previous visits (which have ranged from a long weekend when I lived in Belgium to the 23 day trip across the entire west side of the country during the first time we took our 10 and 12yr old kids), I’ve managed to not meet those that you have, that made you feel inferior for speaking Québécois.
The French that I’ve met in the towns and smaller cities throughout France are some of the nicest, friendliest people I’ve ever encountered. If they weren’t I wouldn’t have wasted my vacation time and money going so many times over the decades.
I’ll post a follow up after our visit to Montpellier and the areas south-west of there where we are going to scout out possible winter retirement options in the future.
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My better half has been lucky here. Her Quebecois French seems to be accepted as a quaint way-older version of MetroFrench. Like when I speak the 60-year-old version of Italian in my parents’ home town, but 400 or so years old with her French.
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We keep hearing that, but it's not quite true. That is the experience of people who visit mostly Paris, because that is true of Parisians. In fact, Parisians look down on the other French people, particularly the Breton, Normand and Provencal, as not quite French speakers.
Quebecois are mostly descendants from Breton and Normand and one of the traits of the way they express themselves that we kept (or inherited) is that we are more guarded, and thus less direct, in expressing ourselves. Parisians are blunt and to the point (and a friend of mine once said that you must understand that, without saying it out loud, at the end of every sentence spoken to you by a Parisian are the word "you idiot").
So, for instance, a Parisian will go into a Cigarette shop and say "a pack of Gitane" and will make his purchase. The Quebecois (or Normand) will go in and say "Hello, do you have any Gitanes" to order some. And he will be answered by the Parisian: "Of Course, we are a tobacco store! (you idiot)".
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There have been times when the words 'Bon matin' have come out of mouth in France instead of Bonjour when walking into a store in a village or town and that has lead to some curious looks and a few small conversations. But its the same level curiosity when I order a 'pain au chocolat' when I'm in the Bordeaux/Arcachon area instead of a 'Chocolatine' at the boulangerie or patisserie. It's 'hey buddy, here we call it a Chocolatine NOT a pain au chocolat.
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Just like there being a real line dividing “butter Italy” and “olive oil Italy,” or potato Europe from tomato Europe, I’ve learned there is a “pain au chocolat/chocolatine“ line in France
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Yes and I'm curious to see what Montpellier and Beziers will be! The area from Montpellier to Bezier to Perpignan to the Spanish border is the last large area of France that I've not been so I'm curious to see if they are chocolatine or pain au chocolat. I'm really hoping that I can find my most favourite French pastry somewhere in the area. Its called a 'Sacristain' and its typically found only around Saint-Remy-de-Provence/Vaucluse area.Just like there being a real line dividing “butter Italy” and “olive oil Italy,” or potato Europe from tomato Europe, I’ve learned there is a “pain au chocolat/chocolatine“ line in France
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I think this is worth mentioning. Javani very recently removed all mention of being a CPC member from his X.
Maybe some news soon, possibly Monday?
Maybe some news soon, possibly Monday?
bit of a change. We found that the French were generally hospitable except for those from Paris and they even looked down their noses at someone from Dijon
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Going to cross the floor to the Liberals?
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Im with you, its not the 18th century anymore, we have the technology for more representative voting system.
PrairieFella
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Surely whoever is maintaining this list is objective and wont take every possible thing and frame it as the absolute worst case scenario.
A "policy theft" segment is unhinged and demonstrates all I need to see about their intellectual honesty.
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Save the date. I think it's safe to say we will probably not be heading back to the polls for an early spring election now.
Carney calls byelections in Quebec riding of Terrebonne, 2 Toronto ridings
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The first sitting PPC MP?Going to cross the floor to the Liberals?
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What could possibly make this current parliament one of the worst ever? You could make an argument for the 43rd certainly being a lowpoint compared to other parliaments but to call the 45th the worst is disingenuous or ignorant of the goings-on in Ottawa.
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That's 2 weeks after the NDP Leadership vote.
I don't think a Fed election will be called until after CUSMA talks wrap up, so maybe in the mid Oct time period.
Out of curiosity I checked Internet Archive back as far as November, no obvious CPC branding in his website that far back other than colour scheme.
I would be surprised to see him break with the party. There’s nowhere else for him to go that would improve his fortunes. He’s not gonna go LPC, and the PPC would be a joke if they were relevant enough to even still be thought of. His realistic best bet is some leadership role within one of the CPC factions and fight it out for prominence post-Pierre. Not that that’s a great spot to be in either… But he won’t keep that MP pay and pension under any other branding.
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