Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[Halifax Tar]

Lets cut the funding out of your pay raises to pay for this then.

That's definitely a COA.

I am not sure how you having that response to the quote you used though.

 

[Czech_pivo]

I think they are falling to their knee jerk reactions anytime the Gov says something, they think they need to be on the opposite side.

Their platforms/policies are mostly in sync (LPC loves to lift other peoples ideas). So hold them accountable on the deliverables side. That would be my strategy.

"Great idea Mr. PM. When ?"

As I pointed out earlier - of the 7 ridings east of Toronto to Ottawa and then the riding east of Ottawa to the Quebec border, 6 of those 7 are held by Conservatives.

 

[ArmyRick]

That's definitely a COA.

I am not sure how you having that response to the quote you used though.

My actual point being is one, tax money is a very limited resource, spend ULTRA carefully and wisely (this ain't it) and two, if we must spend that money, there is better places to put it.

The HSR was not even on the discussion list last election or if it was, barely noticed, in other words, its not a priority.

 

[lenaitch]

Meh. That's only true in Eastern Ontario. I don't think random farmer in the Prairies cares that much.

That might change if a Calgary/Edmonton HSR gets beyond an idea. HSR corridors need to be pretty flat, straight and isolated. Start telling a farmer/rancher they have to drive x-more kilometers to get equipment onto a field that is now 'on the other side' and they might be equally unhappy.

 

[ArmyRick]

As I pointed out earlier - of the 7 ridings east of Toronto to Ottawa and then the riding east of Ottawa to the Quebec border, 6 of those 7 are held by Conservatives.

And the land expropriations that are to follow? Yeah, the constituents are already upset, alot of land needs to be expropriated even by Steve McKinnon's admission.

 

[Halifax Tar]

And the land expropriations that are to follow? Yeah, the constituents are already upset, alot of land needs to be expropriated even by Steve McKinnon's admission.

Ya, that will be a sticky thorn.

Id be pissed too if I was living the rural dream and some dude from Ottawa told me they are going to take a chunk of my paradise to run tracks through it for Ottawa and Toronto votes.

Bleeds into my firearms stance and ownership of private property.

 

[ytz]

I'm not sure if the CP right-of-way is wide enough to be twinned west of Smith's Falls, or if it is suitable for even 100 mph.

It's not suitable. A quick look on Google Maps shows that thing would ride like some cheap roller coaster. At the speeds being considered turn radius becomes something like 5 km. Need gentle curves.

I think the project team looked at this and realized that between Smiths Falls and Peterborough they'd have to spend double digit billions and expropriate anyway. So might as well spend the marginally more and do it right.

The one area I'm genuinely sympathetic to rural residents is roads getting severed. But that is what substantially drives the cost up. This thing could be closer to the lower bound on price if we didn't give a damn about cutting rural roads.

 

[lenaitch]

A bunch of you are cheering for it for one reason only. You desperately want a win for Mark Carney, whos honeymoon is waning (trust me, it is).

Are you cheering against it because you want the CPC to win? PP used to be for it. Support is still in their policy paper. Come an actual election campaign, if both support it, you'll be stuck with the PPC or something.

 

[Halifax Tar]

As I pointed out earlier - of the 7 ridings east of Toronto to Ottawa and then the riding east of Ottawa to the Quebec border, 6 of those 7 are held by Conservatives.

Would those ridings support the HSR project ? Or are you saying the LPC is inflicting this on CPC ridings ?

 

[lenaitch]

Ya, that will be a sticky thorn.

Id be pissed too if I was living the rural dream and some dude from Ottawa told me they are going to take a chunk of my paradise to run tracks through it for Ottawa and Toronto votes.

Bleeds into my firearms stance and ownership of private property.

Imagine how the folks in the Lost Villages felt when the Seaway was built (a friend is one - she grew up in a town that ceased to exist).

How does this country do any if the bottom line that nobody is ever impacted? I suspected there were displaced landowners to build many of the CF bases in the country, and the same thing would happen if, as some propose, to cluster bases near major urban centres.

 

[Czech_pivo]

And the land expropriations that are to follow? Yeah, the constituents are already upset, alot of land needs to be expropriated even by Steve McKinnon's admission.

The reality is this - lands fall into Public or Crown lands (I know you know this), so anytime something of any scale is built land will either come from the public side (and sale/expropriated) or the Crown side.

Look at the land being gathered for the new Radar sites - its for Defense purposes but people are still against the expropriation of their land. Its a natural reaction to this, its completely understandable. No one wants to see their 'castle' and all the work that they put into it be destroyed. Sadly, sometimes there is no other way.

My parents had their house/land expropriated by the City of Windsor back in 1996. It had been in the family since 1941. They did what they could to prevent it but it was a done deal, the city bought up all the homes/land on their entire 2 blocks and tore them all done to wide/straighten out a major city road. My Dad wept and was bitter for years afterwards. I saw trees that his father/mother had planted by hand back in 1942/43 ripped down, extensive flowerbeds and vegetables gardens plowed under. The house ripped down and the foundation tore up. It was hard for them. When I ask him now what its like to drive along the street that has been widen/straighten out, making travel quicker and flow seamlessly, he admits now that its a good thing and he understands that its benefited the city/people overall - but he's still bitter about it.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Would those ridings support the HSR project ? Or are you saying the LPC is inflicting this on CPC ridings ?

I've only researched that the 7 ridings - I listed them earlier - fall into the 1 Liberal and 6 Conservative camp. I've done no other research.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Imagine how the folks in the Lost Villages felt when the Seaway was built (a friend is one - she grew up in a town that ceased to exist).

How does this country do any if the bottom line that nobody is ever impacted? I suspected there were displaced landowners to build many of the CF bases in the country, and the same thing would happen if, as some propose, to cluster bases near major urban centres.

I think you are getting too emotionally involved in this. You're getting no argument from me. I am simply saying I can empathize with a property owner in this scenario.

I am in Halifax, what you lot do up there is best left up there.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I've only researched that the 7 ridings - I listed them earlier - fall into the 1 Liberal and 6 Conservative camp. I've done no other research.

That's not an answer to my question(s). Or is your answer that you don't know ?

 

[ytz]

And the land expropriations that are to follow? Yeah, the constituents are already upset, alot of land needs to be expropriated even by Steve McKinnon's admission.

Ya that will be a sticky thorn.

Id be pissed too if I was living the rural dream and some dude from Ottawa told me they are going to take a chunk of my paradise to run tracks through it for Ottawa and Toronto votes.

Bleeds into my firearms stance and ownership of private property.

That's not accurate. They aren't expropriating "a lot of land". It's less than say a freeway. I believe it's less than 100m wide for the most part.

What happened though is that they didn't want to disclose the exact routing (and drive expropriation prices up). So they drew a 10 km wide corridor and sent notices that everybody in there was in the study zone. This is probably 10-15x the number of people actually impacted.

 

[Czech_pivo]

That's not an answer to my question(s). Or is your answer that you don't know ?

No clue about the support or lack of in those 7 ridings. I simply researched which parties hold those 7 ridings in particular.

 

[Halifax Tar]

That's not accurate. They aren't expropriating "a lot of land". It's less than say a freeway. I believe it's less than 100m wide for the most part.

What happened though is that they didn't want to disclose the exact routing (and drive expropriation prices up). So they drew a 10 km wide corridor and sent notices that everybody in there was in the study zone. This is probably 10-15x the number of people actually impacted.

That does sounds better, but I will wait and see what actually comes out of the murky ether. If anything ever does.

 

[YZT580]

It's not suitable. A quick look on Google Maps shows that thing would ride like some cheap roller coaster. At the speeds being considered turn radius becomes something like 5 km. Need gentle curves.

I think the project team looked at this and realized that between Smiths Falls and Peterborough they'd have to spend double digit billions and expropriate anyway. So might as well spend the marginally more and do it right.

The one area I'm genuinely sympathetic to rural residents is roads getting severed. But that is what substantially drives the cost up. This thing could be closer to the lower bound on price if we didn't give a damn about cutting rural roads.

from a practical view, every above ground electrified rail system in Canada fails regularly in winter weather and none of the operators has been able to provide a fix. The weather to the east of Peterborough is just plain brutal and 90 billion dollars is a hell of a price to pay for a part-time system

 

[ytz]

Would those ridings support the HSR project ? Or are you saying the LPC is inflicting this on CPC ridings ?

One of the biggest proponents this was the former CPC Peterborough MP. He's been advocating for this for over a decade. He was criticizing PP yesterday:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2039146570906579119

 

[Czech_pivo]

from a practical view, every above ground electrified rail system in Canada fails regularly in winter weather and none of the operators has been able to provide a fix. The weather to the east of Peterborough is just plain brutal and 90 billion dollars is a hell of a price to pay for a part-time system

How does Russia do its electrical rail system across some of the most brutal weather in the world through Siberia?

How does Switzerland handle their electrical rail system through the Alps in Jan/Feb? What about Finland? Or Sweden? Or Norway.

We are not reinventing the wheel here.