Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Halifax Tar]

Double standard.

When bums like me bitch about the Prime Minister vacationing in the US others will defend it and say they're allowed to go on vacation anywhere they want! They're people too! - and that's true.

Many of the same people will accuse people like you of being a traitor and sell out for going there on a vacation - how dare you?

Better people have accused me of worse.

My MPRR is basically listed in my info. If one doubts my allegiance I will refer them to my on forum bio.

 

[suffolkowner]

This means that the Windsor-Quebec corridor shouldn't expect too much help from the western provinces.

did we not just cut a deal for canola farmers at the expense of the auto industry?

 

[Altair]

Not really... The world's most populous country hardly seems like "slim pickings", and Korea is an advanced manufacturing nation, with lots to off Canada, both in the civilian and defence sectors.

There are non-EU European nations we could be looking to expand trade relations with as well.

India I agree, we should be working on that. But with India Canada relations in not so great a place, it will take time. We don't have time.

Korea is whatever, would be great, but they shrinking massively and their economy is smaller than ours. A deal with them, while good on a whole, shouldn't be a priority.

None EU nations like?

 

[Altair]

Better people have accused me of worse.

My MPRR is basically listed in my info. If one doubts my allegiance I will refer them to my on forum bio.

Just curious. Is anyone here doubting your allegiance? Or are we talking about the internet at large?

 

[suffolkowner]

Between CPTPP and CETA, all of those are covered.

So...Korea and India is all that is left? Slim pickings, no?

*Canada is in the process of finalizing a trade deal with Indonesia, my mistake.

Not really... The world's most populous country hardly seems like "slim pickings", and Korea is an advanced manufacturing nation, with lots to off Canada, both in the civilian and defence sectors.

There are non-EU European nations we could be looking to expand trade relations with as well.

India and SK should be on the table for sure but given how many Indians are in Canada that should have been an easier nut to crack
In the end the government can remove obstacles but its not the government doing the actual business

 

[Halifax Tar]

Just curious. Is anyone here doubting your allegiance? Or are we talking about the internet at large?

At large.

 

[Quirky]

did we not just cut a deal for canola farmers at the expense of the auto industry?

They'll be flocking to the polls in support of MC.

 

[Furniture]

did we not just cut a deal for canola farmers at the expense of the auto industry?

It sucks for the individuals impacted by plant closures, but given the American administration was/is pressuring US automakers to bring all production back into America, it seems like a reasonable trade-off.

On a national scale, keeping farming and fishing going strong in exchange for potentially damaging an industry already being actively undermined by America makes sense.

 

[Jarnhamar]

My brother in christ, I made that comment in regards to limitations being put in place to prevent Chinese EVs owned by Canadians crossing into the USA.

How many damn businesses do you think would be crossing into the USA for a business meeting in a chinese EV?

For the love of all that is holy...

And then you argued that Brihard was wrong about it being more beneficial to return to closer and friendlier ties with the US when their policy choices return to being more amenable?

 

[brihard]

Another one: we’re currently looking at establishing a free trade agreement with the MERCOSUR trade bloc. That’s 300 million people and a $2.6b GDP. It’s not nothing.

As America fortifies into regressive mercantilism, world trade flows are liberalizing around them in response. Interesting dynamic.

 

[suffolkowner]

They'll be flocking to the polls in support of MC.

unlikely
just like they flocked to support the Liberals when a couple of pipelines got built. The first in generations

 

[RangerRay]

Examples?

Japan
South Korea
Taiwan
India (with caution)
Australia/NZ
Europe
Add: to name a few off the top of my head

Are they as big economies as PRC? No. But for the most part they are democracies that share our values. And that is who we should be concentrating our trade with. We might have to slaughter some sacred cows to get better deals with some of the e.g. dairy, but it beats being beholden to authoritarians bent on turning us into a satrapy.

 

[Altair]

They'll be flocking to the polls in support of MC.

When it comes to the defense of Canada, 38 percent of Conservatives, while smaller than 47 percent, is not insignificant.

and all of the Dippers and Grits means a likely majority of Canadians from western provinces would be on board.

Now you know.

#Math

 

[Altair]

Japan

Done

South Korea

Not done

Taiwan

Yikes

India (with caution)

Fair

Australia/NZ

Done

Europe

Done

Are they as big economies as PRC? No. But for the most part they are democracies that share our values. And that is who we should be concentrating our trade with. We might have to slaughter some sacred cows to get better deals with some of the e.g. dairy, but it beats being beholden to authoritarians bent on turning us into a satrapy.

Again, most of these have been done already.

 

[Remius]

Double standard.

When bums like me bitch about the Prime Minister vacationing in the US others will defend it and say they're allowed to go on vacation anywhere they want! They're people too! - and that's true.

Many of the same people will accuse people like you of being a traitor and sell out for going there on a vacation - how dare you?

False comparison. Bums like you bitched about all vacations Trudeau took. US or not. The rebuttal is about being allowed to take vacations in the first place.

How well would a Carney’s vacation to the US be received under the current climate? Not well.

The conditions at this time are nowhere near the same.

 

[suffolkowner]

It sucks for the individuals impacted by plant closures, but given the American administration was/is pressuring US automakers to bring all production back into America, it seems like a reasonable trade-off.

On a national scale, keeping farming and fishing going strong in exchange for potentially damaging an industry already being actively undermined by America makes sense.

it does seem strange to me that the US couldnt find alternative soybean markets and we cant find alternative canola when faced with Chinese measures.

 

[Brad Sallows]

All of the reasons for turning away from the US - trade protectionist, expansionist at the expense of neighbours, occasionally illiberal policy execution - apply to China, magnified, with additional negatives (widespread intellectual theft, actual authoritarianism with most of the characteristics of actual fascism). How blind are people willing to be?

"This guy is mean to us, so we'll engage more with these guys who are meaner." Well reasoned.

As I've written before, those who believe a Chinese war against Taiwan might be imminent cannot reasonably propose that it's good policy to engage with China more right now and then have to disengage (at a loss of everything invested) in the near future. I suppose a Chinese invasion of Taiwan is more likely in the next two years than a US invasion of an ally. Rationally we should not be turning away from the US to China. Choose some other destinations.

 

[Altair]

it does seem strange to me that the US couldnt find alternative soybean markets and we cant find alternative canola when faced with Chinese measures.

Because half of the Global soybean imports are China. The other half is so diverse that you're picking at the margins trying to target it.

 

[RangerRay]

Done

Not done

Yikes

Fair

Done

Done

Again, most of these have been done already.

Always room for improvement when our largest trading partner goes bananas. Those deals were made in normal times with Old America and we weren’t worried about the US becoming mercantilist.

I added that those countries were just the ones off the top of my head.

Again, why get into bed with authoritarians that don’t share our values? Why not start trading with Iran and North Korea? Or getting their state-run companies to invest in our infrastructure?

I won’t celebrate becoming an economic colony to anyone.

 

[Jarnhamar]

False comparison. Bums like you bitched about all vacations Trudeau took. US or not. The rebuttal is about being allowed to take vacations in the first place.

How well would a Carney’s vacation to the US be received under the current climate? Not well.

The conditions at this time are nowhere near the same.

I don't recall bitching about him taking Canadian vacations save for his surfing trip on the First day of Reconciliation - where he hurriedly tried to call <insert First Nations person> when his 2IC called him on the beach in a panic. Also, of course, the Aga Khan trip, for obvious reasons.

I bet if Carney vacationed to the US he'd still have quite a few defenders. Probably many of the same ones defending him having US stocks while he says Canadians should invest in Canada more.