Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Jarnhamar]

Its interesting to listen to people talk about an issue, such as, less Government control, oversite, running of day to day affairs, policies that have been the bedrock of their parties platforms in years, decades past and have helped define their parties appeal to the their base, suddenly start opposing those same issues because the other main party has suddenly started championing those same platforms/beliefs. Its an issue that has caused me to turn away from defining myself as a member of this party or that party and to start looking at each leader/party individually for the time/place/event/situation that the country finds itself in.

Absolutely. The Carbon tax is a great example, and how quickly it went from Conservatives are trying to kill the planet by calling for the cancelation of the carbon tax to this is a good idea the tax wasn't effective.

Similarly, privatization of things like Airports.

For years the rallying call was Conservatives would privatize things like airports for their big corporations elitist buddies. Now with Carney calling for the same privatization the same nay sayers are miraculously seeing the wisdom of it.

Too much tribalism blinding Canadians.

 

[MilEME09]

Should we borrow yet more money adding to our debt and deficit to keep airfare prices lower? No thanks. If you want to fly, you pay the cost.

I find it difficult to align myself with the idea that the ability to move around the second largest country in the world in the fastest way possible is a basic right that must be funded by all taxpayers. Kinda how I feel about high speed rail.....

No, but if we are going to privatize how do you protect the interests of consumers? We already have sky high airfare. Its cheaper to go to Europe or vagas then it is toronto. So how do you encourage competitive markets?

 

[Czech_pivo]

Absolutely. The Carbon tax is a great example, and how quickly it went from Conservatives are trying to kill the planet by calling for the cancelation of the carbon tax to this is a good idea the tax wasn't effective.

Similarly, privatization of things like Airports.

For years the rallying call was Conservatives would privatize things like airports for their big corporations elitist buddies. Now with Carney calling for the same privatization the same nay sayers are miraculously seeing the wisdom of it.

Too much tribalism blinding Canadians.

For the record.

I wasn't necessary against some sort of privatizing the airports when I 'think' Mulroney put it forward 40yrs ago and I feel the same way now that Carney is tossing it about.

 

[Jarnhamar]

For the record.

I wasn't necessary against some sort of privatizing the airports when I 'think' Mulroney put it forward 40yrs ago and I feel the same way now that Carney is tossing it about.

I don't know enough about it to really have much of an opinion. I do agree with what PPCLIGuy is saying about not wanting to pay for other peoples travel.

I'm mostly pointing out the irony how fast peoples firm beliefs flip flop when "their guy" champions it.

 

[Halifax Tar]

These two statements contradict themselves.

Without healthcare you have nothing. Why would you trust some greedy corporation with your life when it has been shown time and time again they will do whatever they can to make money at your expense.

I don’t know if you have ever dealt with insurance before but dealing with them well sick and needing immediate care and them arguing against the best treatment due to costs isn’t good for anyone.

Not saying our system is a golden hen which can’t be improved, theres tons that can be improved, but we can also do much worse.

I simply disagree. Healthcare should be private. Your health is your responsibility IMHO.

We all have a line and that's mine.

 

[dapaterson]

I think a lesson we should have learned is to not sell of important infrastructure to private companies.

At least in NS this was done with power, and its screwed the province and its people ever since, with no way out.

My 4.29% dividend (DRIP) plus capital appreciation are grateful every time you turn on a light switch.

 

[Halifax Tar]

My 4.29% dividend (DRIP) plus capital appreciation are grateful every time you turn on a light switch.

lol You can thank me for my service lol

 

[dapaterson]

But if you’re in Winnipeg, you’re hooped.

Yes, but what about air travel?

 

[dapaterson]

Should we borrow yet more money adding to our debt and deficit to keep airfare prices lower? No thanks. If you want to fly, you pay the cost.

I find it difficult to align myself with the idea that the ability to move around the second largest country in the world in the fastest way possible is a basic right that must be funded by all taxpayers. Kinda how I feel about high speed rail.....

National mobility infrastructure is a national defence requirement. Current airports are built on land granted by the federal government, as are most rail lines.

Similarly, rights of way for other infrastructure were granted at low or no cost (Bell says "Thank you"); early cell phone bandwidth was also given away.

 

[RangerRay]

Yes, but what about air travel?

Ok, poor example.

Think of any other city that is a long hike from a competing airport or other public long distance travel option.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Custome

No, but if we are going to privatize how do you protect the interests of consumers? We already have sky high airfare. Its cheaper to go to Europe or vagas then it is toronto. So how do you encourage competitive markets?

Consumers move markets. Governments try but usually fail.

What do you see as the government's role in "encouraging competitive markets" so that consumers pay less for goods and services they voluntarily procure?

Do you want them to intervene in all categories of discretionary consumer consumption to the benefit of the consumer? Movie prices?Subscriptions to info / entertainment services? Restaurant prices? Clothing? Sporting goods? Doesn't seem fair to those taxpayers who don't play sports or eat out to have to subsidise those that do.

That slope is very slippery. It seems evocative of 70s era Wage and Price controls....

 

[PPCLI Guy]

National mobility infrastructure is a national defence requirement. Current airports are built on land granted by the federal government, as are most rail lines.

Similarly, rights of way for other infrastructure were granted at low or no cost (Bell says "Thank you"); early cell phone bandwidth was also given away.

Complete strawman. The contract simply needs to reflect the Crown's prerogative to intervene in operations if required for a national security mission.

 

[dapaterson]

Complete strawman. The contract simply needs to reflect the Crown's prerogative to intervene in operations if required for a national security mission.

I agree that we can leverage the private sector to deliver. I agree that we are not doomed to repeat the sins of our fathers.

I am not proposing a binary model. Just that national interests have to be captured and documented and enforced.

Canadian industry is dominated by oligopolies who leverage their market dominance to influence political leadership to establish barriers to entry. This in turn frustrates innovation.

On the other hand, Government entities are usually no better. What kind of fools build warehouses at the end of a runway, or permit residential development on the approaches to a runway that need to be exclusion zones?

 

[Kilted]

I'm wondering how long before Canexit becomes a slogan after this affiliated membership thing.

 

[daftandbarmy]

No, but if we are going to privatize how do you protect the interests of consumers? We already have sky high airfare. Its cheaper to go to Europe or vagas then it is toronto. So how do you encourage competitive markets?

You're assuming that airports can only make money from travelers.

As with railways, the real cash in is cargo, as well as leveraging the airport footprint as inter-modal space.

Privatization should help free up what airports can, and can't, do within a variety of business opportunity spaces.

Competition should also help keep prices within the range of what passengers are willing to pay.

 

[dapaterson]

You're assuming that airports can only make money from travelers.

As with railways, the real cash in is cargo, as well as leveraging the airport footprint as inter-modal space.

Privatization should help free up what airports can, and can't, do within a variety of business opportunity spaces.

Competition should also help keep prices within the range of what passengers are willing to pay.

Fixed facilities deter competition - you're not going to easily compete with YYC by building your own airport in Airdrie.

Privatizing natural monopolies and expecting good behaviour on their part; what could possibly go wrong?

 

[Czech_pivo]

Fixed facilities deter competition - you're not going to easily compete with YYC by building your own airport in Airdrie.

Privatizing natural monopolies and expecting good behaviour on their part; what could possibly go wrong?

Certain locations have niche situations/solutions.

Those living in the Windsor-London-Sarnia, ON triangle will typically fly to US or International locations out of Detroit instead of flying out of Windsor or London into Pearson and then fly onwards to the US or International location. It comes down to cost and convenience. Population wise, that's probably right around 1m people, not an insignificant number.

Those who live in the Burlington/Hamilton area onwards towards St Catherines, Welland, Fort Erie, Niagara Falls will again look to fly out of Buffalo for flights to Florida and parts of the US and some International flights. The further east you go from Stoney Creek towards Niagara Falls, the more people will fly out of Buffalo. Again, that's probably around the 1m people mark. Cost and convenience are the main factors.

I realise that these 2 examples are only Ontario focused but privatising Pearson (and the others) won't have much, if any, of an impact on these 2+ million people in continuing to fly mostly out of the US.

 

[PrairieFella]

This may be a distinction without a difference but are the Big 4 being looked at for full privatization or are we talking PPPs with like <=49.9% stakes.

 

[McG]

The contract simply needs to reflect the Crown's prerogative to intervene in operations if required for a national security mission.

Also need to ensure our requirements are address in the standard of infrastructure. Not that we do a good job of it now anyway, but the airport closest to a major CA base should be able to support the new Husky at max troop & cargo carrying weight to enable force projection.

 

[Cloud Cover]

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