Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Altair]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-electric-car-china-tariffs-trump-united-states-9.7049950

More car stuff about China.

Nostradamus

 

[Remius]

Nostradamus

Your safe word doesn’t work here Altair.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Don't be fooled, saving face is the tactic here. They lose support they can't afford to lose in Quebec if they cancel this colossal albatross around their necks.

I don’t know anybody who will comply with this.

 

[Eaglelord17]

This is sure to make Liberals happy.

Ottawa unveils next steps in its national gun buyback program. Here are the details​

That $750M dropped to $248M quick.

There's only enough to cover 136,000 guns. Which is funny when you consider there's at least 95,000 AR15 model firearms alone.

Most owners of prohibited firearms are fucked for compensation. They get to turn in their firearms for $0 or become criminals.

I can’t wait for the class action for proper payment. You can’t prohibit or expropriate property without reasonable payment provided. Considering lots of it they just say tough (like AR-15 uppers) they will be sued.

We paid slave owners when slavery ended, this isn’t a thing you can just declare they will not pay out on.

 

[suffolkowner]

I don’t know anybody who will comply with this.

I dont know how you cant comply if your rifle is restricted?

 

[Halifax Tar]

I dont know how you cant comply if your rifle is restricted?

Previous NRs now R or P. The Gov has no idea who has them or how many are out there. 30 Carbines are a great example.

Another one would be the Norinco M305.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I dont know how you cant comply if your rifle is restricted?

The government knows the name and address of everyone owning a registered restricted rifle. If they don't voluntarily turn in their registered firearms by October 26 they will be illegally in possession of prohibited guns and could face having all their firearms seized and whatever criminal punishment.

Edit - and just because you submit an application and let the government know what you have it doesn't mean you're guaranteed compensation. First come first serve so hurry up.

 

[Brad Sallows]

I can’t wait for the class action for proper payment. You can’t prohibit or expropriate property without reasonable payment provided. Considering lots of it they just say tough (like AR-15 uppers) they will be sued.

We paid slave owners when slavery ended, this isn’t a thing you can just declare they will not pay out on.

The aim is to expropriate without (much) compensation, but they've structured it so they can finesse it.

"We're not actually confiscating firearms. In fact, we're offering to buy a limited number. All that's happening is the firearms will be illegal in 6 months."

Too clever by half. Governments that so bluntly attack the triumvirate of life, liberty, and property de-legitimize themselves a bit.

 

[MilEME09]

Good little clip from Stephen Harper on what he advised the current gov.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2012661500553437490

 

[lenaitch]

I can’t wait for the class action for proper payment. You can’t prohibit or expropriate property without reasonable payment provided. Considering lots of it they just say tough (like AR-15 uppers) they will be sued.

Sure they can. Items often become illegal to possess after they emerge on the market. "Pepper spray" was prohibited for human self defence in 1998, long after it appeared on the market. Expropriation only applies to real property (land and fixed assets) in Canada.

 

[YZT580]

Oh I wasn't.

I'm genuinely curious if China's threat to Canada improved and they're safer, or if they're just as bad, just that the US is worse.

Maybe I need to better understand what Carney meant by "biggest security threat to Canada".

they don't threaten our natural governing party at all. In fact they support them verbally and financially

 

[YZT580]

Utterly wrong. If that were true, the 80% of the population which used to work in agriculture and has been reduced to something like 2-3% would all be jobless right now.

Displaced workers will find other employment as long as entrepreneurs are not stifled from innovating and venturing.

Canada is still a seller's market for labour.

you need sailors, machinists, soldiers, mechanics don't you? You will be able to man the entire surface fleet from the layoffs in Oakville.

 

[YZT580]

The aim is to expropriate without (much) compensation, but they've structured it so they can finesse it.

"We're not actually confiscating firearms. In fact, we're offering to buy a limited number. All that's happening is the firearms will be illegal in 6 months."

Too clever by half. Governments that so bluntly attack the triumvirate of life, liberty, and property de-legitimize themselves a bit.

stop bitching if you voted red.

 

[Maxman1]

I could, but I have no interest in engaging in endless discussions about that again. I think that was a topic of discussion for a few days here, and frankly, I have zero desire to rehash that.

Like I said, voodoo.

Please explain why special rules should apply to the fighter jets but not any other purchases.

You haven't mentioned the Gripen before in this thread.

 

[Altair]

Please explain why special rules should apply to the fighter jets but not any other purchases.

You haven't mentioned the Gripen before in this thread.

Post in thread 'Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???'

18 Nov 2025

Yeah so if they want faster, they need a new production line, combined with Global eye, we are talking 13,000 high to medium skill jobs in Canada not to mention a cut for the canadian government for any Gripen sales built in canada

Its going to a hard sale to turn down.

• Altair

Here ya go. looks like i talk about it for four days, enjoy

 

[Maxman1]

Post in thread 'Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???'

18 Nov 2025

Yeah so if they want faster, they need a new production line, combined with Global eye, we are talking 13,000 high to medium skill jobs in Canada not to mention a cut for the canadian government for any Gripen sales built in canada

Its going to a hard sale to turn down.

• Altair

Here ya go. looks like i talk about it for four days, enjoy

And their jobs claim is bullshit. They made the same promises to Brazil, who has a larger aerospace industry than us, Embraer, with more military experience, and they've had barely 300 jobs created. And Saab's global job number is only 26,000. There is no possibility they will create 10,000+ jobs here for a single limited-run contract.

And the Gripen still uses a lot of ITAR equipment that can be withheld by the US (do not bring up "the other engine", the EJ230 does not exist, Rolls Royce isn't developing it, and Saab has ruled out switching to a different engine). So if the goal is to avoid US involvement in the supply train,the Gripen fails at that, plus has a  colossal capability gap.

This has been discussed multiple times in the fighter jet thread.

Post in thread 'The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)'

8 Jan 2026

Have you considered that it isn't "emotional", and that people accept that the RCAF would end up with a less capable aircraft, but Canada would be less dependant on a giant US defence company. One of the companies the current US administration is trying to take more control over...

We are already linked my ITAR on so many things that getting away from ITAR completely is not a realistic option, that doesn't mean we need to go full USAF and just buy what they buy.

I disagree, I've been following this specific procurement debacle for over a decade at this point and the...

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[Jarnhamar]

And their jobs claim is bullshit. They made the same promises to Brazil, who has a larger aerospace industry than us, Embraer, with more military experience, and they've had barely 300 jobs created. And Saab's global job number is only 26,000. There is no possibility they will create 10,000+ jobs here for a single limited-run contract.

And the Gripen still uses a lot of ITAR equipment that can be withheld by the US (do not bring up "the other engine", the EJ230 does not exist, Rolls Royce isn't developing it, and Saab has ruled out switching to a different engine). So if the goal is to avoid US involvement in the supply train,the Gripen fails at that, plus has a  colossal capability gap.

This has been discussed multiple times in the fighter jet thread.

Post in thread 'The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)'

8 Jan 2026

Have you considered that it isn't "emotional", and that people accept that the RCAF would end up with a less capable aircraft, but Canada would be less dependant on a giant US defence company. One of the companies the current US administration is trying to take more control over...

We are already linked my ITAR on so many things that getting away from ITAR completely is not a realistic option, that doesn't mean we need to go full USAF and just buy what they buy.

I disagree, I've been following this specific procurement debacle for over a decade at this point and the...

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Canada can just make our own engine and reverse engineer all the US bits and pieces.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

picking boutique, Canada-only orphan fleets has not worked for us in the past.

The Robertson screwdriver enters the chat.

 

[Halifax Tar]

The Robertson screwdriver enters the chat.

It's a much better design than Phillips, IMHO.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

It's a much better design than Phillips, IMHO.

Absolutely!

What I was alluding to is the fact that during WWII, Canada elected to extensively use Robertson screws for its military equipment because "the Germans don't have the screwdrivers to re-use our materiel if it falls in their hands". The problem was our own allies didn't have them either, so they couldn't help us fixing our equipment.