Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Brad Sallows]

How about this. When you find a scrape of data pointing towards your hypothesis that young people are somehow not working as hard, or are as you put it," seeking to find the job they want to do for the amount of money they need for the lifestyle they want to live", feel free to share it with the class.

I'm just spitballing. If financial nihilists are going to behave like incels, that's on them, irrespective of causes/excuses.

 

[Altair]

I'm just spitballing. If financial nihilists are going to behave like incels, that's on them, irrespective of causes/excuses.

If someone is told they have a terminal disease, does that person save their money for a future they will never see? No.

Young people are being told they will never have the future their parents had no matter how hard they work, if they can even get it.

Naturally they will behave the same way. They have been told, and are experiencing, that they are being handed a terminal financial future.

 

[YZT580]

Your solution to youth unemployment being work two jobs or make your own work is akin to let them eat cake.

Sorry if that's glass half empty, but your "solution" isn't reasonable by any metric.

Don't believe me, go on reddit, suggest that on any subreddit with young people and prepare to be laughed out the room.

so the gossip on Reddit is more valid than real life? You can't base your life on what other people say or do. That is why all those immigrants are running more and more businesses and Canadians are working for them when they can get a job since first dibs go to family. Those immigrants work as many jobs as required to achieve their goals. And no I didn't say that was the solution to youth unemployment. In fact I listed all the handicaps that WASP kids have to circumvent to even get a job including the ones that they or their family have erected or did you do your normal thing and just focus on one line? Your remarks simply raised barriers that might or might not exist, barriers that a little planning can overcome

Agree with him, he wants to be right.

He's never agreed with anyone.
. And I wasn't the one who introduced having two jobs I simply asked what was the problem with working two jobs (if you can find them)

 

[Brad Sallows]

If someone is told they have a terminal disease, does that person save their money for a future they will never see? No.

Young people are being told they will never have the future their parents had no matter how hard they work, if they can even get it.

Naturally they will behave the same way. They have been told, and are experiencing, that they are being handed a terminal financial future.

Sure. The fact it means they spend more on themselves right now has nothing to do with it.

Despair is a sin.

 

[Altair]

Sure. The fact it means they spend more on themselves right now has nothing to do with it.

Sympthom, not a cause.

Despair is a sin.

Despair is reality.

 

[Altair]

so the gossip on Reddit is more valid than real life? You can't base your life on what other people say or do.

I feel like you may be slightly out of touch with the realities young people are going through. I see it from my generation, I see it from extended family coming up behind me by up to ten years, and I read about it on places like reddit from young people today talking about how they have been handed a bill of goods.

That is why all those immigrants are running more and more businesses and Canadians are working for them when they can get a job since first dibs go to family. Those immigrants work as many jobs as required to achieve their goals.

Those darn immigrants, eh?

And no I didn't say that was the solution to youth unemployment. In fact I listed all the handicaps that WASP kids have to circumvent to even get a job including the ones that they or their family have erected or did you do your normal thing and just focus on one line?

I literally said I agreed with most of your post minus the one line.

I agree with most of your post. Most. But then there is that one nugget...


I find it hard to tell a young person who cannot find one job that the solution is to find two jobs.

Look, me agreeing! Wowzers.

Your remarks simply raised barriers that might or might not exist, barriers that a little planning can overcome

Again, the systemic solution isn't for every kid to become a entrepeneur. Unless the goal is for every 18 year old to open a OF and call it being a entrepeneur.

. And I wasn't the one who introduced having two jobs I simply asked what was the problem with working two jobs (if you can find them)

There is nothing wrong with working two jobs, I see it quite often. Sister in law, went to school for childhood education, works for the school board and then works with children with developmental disabilities after her 9-5. Still nowhere close to being able to afford a house. Or have kids. She's 36.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Sympthom, not a cause.

Self-serving indulgences tend to be causes. What appears to go before tend to be excuses.

Despair is reality.

People are missing the point, then. Even without divine causes, humanity is not meant to thrive without substantial effort.

Canadians are getting what they voted for, including generations born since 1980.

 

[Altair]

Self-serving indulgences tend to be causes. What appears to go before tend to be excuses.

Humans, over generations, tend to be largely the same. Every older generation calls the generations that come after them lazy, who couldn't walk uphill both ways to school like they did, who listen to devil music teaching loose values (hi Elvis)

But on a whole, young people today are no different than the ones who came before. With that in mind, one has to wonder why that generation is not performing like every generation previously.

We are left with two choices. One, you are right, and they brought it upon themselves with some spectacular divergance never before seen in terms of being able to create wealth and and match if not surpass their parents. Or the system is setting them up to fail, their by policy, technology, circumstance, or a combination of all three.

People are missing the point, then. Even without divine causes, humanity is not meant to thrive without substantial effort.

Imagine going through that substantial effort, and still ending up further behind. How long before you give up on that path?

Canadians are getting what they voted for, including generations born since 1980.

Wait, I thought it was the fault of the young people? Pick a lane.

 

[mariomike]

Every generation
Blames the one before
And all of their frustrations
Come beating on your door

I haven't applied for a full-time job since 1972. So, I plead guilty.

But, working conditions have improved immeasurably since then. Call Volume, for example.

Also, now, if they feel stressed, they can bench themselves. No pay loss either.

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[ArmyRick]

One of the issues being ignored on this issue is unintended consequences. We have to look at setting the conditions for success for future generations.

We have many competing interest at play
-Growing the economy
-Companies needing to make a profit (Thats what they are supposed to do)
-Companies competing with each other and across provincial and national borders
-Immigration levels (yes that affects career opportunities)
-Political gaming (using jobs, cost of living, etc as election issues)
-Effective and not effective environmental regulations
-Other regulations
-Union demands (they have to be reasonable)
-Housing availability (changes rent/mortgage)
-New technology

The list is pretty exhaustive, I have only covered a few issues. Its very tough to get it perfect but our leaders at all levels need to focus on moving the needle in the right direction.

If we change what can be changed (taxation, regulations, remove barriers, etc) and set it up so that we have a slight worker shortage, then labour comes into demand, companies compete for available labour. Then adjust migration levels to just barely cover the gap.

It is not a perfect answer and people entering the workforce need to understand paying your dues but if possible, they need a path forward that does not involve working 70 hours a week indefinitely to barely cover life essentials.

It requires a whole of society to constantly monitor the conditions closely and adjust when necessary. Ignoring a problem and pretending it is not an issue will only result in it getting bigger and worse.

 

[Halifax Tar]

He's never agreed with anyone.
. And I wasn't the one who introduced having two jobs I simply asked what was the problem with working two jobs (if you can find them)

I don't know who 'he' is in your post, but I digress.

There is no problem working two jobs. The problem is finding the first job.

 

[YZT580]

I don't know who 'he' is in your post, but I digress.

There is no problem working two jobs. The problem is finding the first job.

agreed

 

[mariomike]

In the meantime, every transport I see has Drivers Wanted on the barn doors.

Whenever I'm in the mood for a fright, I tune in Bonehead Truckers. "Carrier, or killer?"

There are lots of jobs available just not too many executive starting roles.

It's getting one's foot in the door.

For example, Canada's largest city is hiring Solid Waste Collection Operators aka garbage persons. $34.82 per hour.

That's not likely a young person's dream job.

But, the important thing is, it gets you into a union with thousands of members doing every conceivable job to keep the city functioning.

Ie: When a permanent vacancy arises , or a new job is established , it is closed to the public. If a member of the union doesn't want it, then, and only then, is it open to the public.

Eg: a low paying entry level position , such as Solid Waste Collection Operator, is something no member wants. So, it is open the public. That gets one's foot in the door for a better job.

All while building seniority, OMERS , Sick Bank. and all benefits.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

There are lots of jobs available just not too many executive starting roles.

What is an "executive starting role"? Can you give me an example, other than startup founder?

 

[YZT580]

What is an "executive starting role"? Can you give me an example, other than startup founder?

No I can't but then that is the point. If you aren't prepared to fetch coffee, edit notes for grammar and punctuation, and a dozen other menial tasks you have no future with any corporation.