Light Sentence for killing unfaithful, married triple timing lover ...

[NavComm]

Whiskey, you're right, restraining orders aren't worth the paper they are on unless the person obeys the order. That's why there are shelters and safe houses. Even that isn't going to work on someone who is hellbent on violence though any more than it works for other criminals.

I know our jails are not meant as a deterrent to crime and recent sentencing trends support that, but I'd still like to see stiffer sentences for domestic assaults and for the law to be applied equally.

I can't recall the exact statistic but during all the training I took there was a stat on how often a woman is abused before she even reports the abuse (I think it's like 10 assaults). A man rarely reports it at all. Men are more inclined to suffer in silence because of the stigma attached.

 

[Infanteer]

Well, I finally got around to looking at this, and I must say my faith in our Justice system is declining daily.  Now we send the message that it is okay to kill people if you are mad - where is Jack McCoy when you need him?

At least in the jungle, you have things like "tribes" and "honour" to protect you - here we have an effective foundation (good police, effective courts) that is stifled by a mound of new age poo that has been lumped on it that prevents Justice from protecting the people of society.  Justice is about vengence - bringing the sword to those who break the laws of our society (the laws which protect us from the jungle); for some reason, we lost sense of that along the way.

 

[KevinB]

 

[bossi]

... The Senner case is one of domestic violence. ...

I disagree (i.e. if domestic violence is defined as "violence related to a domicile", whereas Senner killed her hitherto consensual lover - legally, I believe Senner and her victim did not constitute a domicile).

As for bullying and abuse (physical, mental or emotional), I've my own very strong views:
Cowards stay, whether victims or aggressors - it takes courage to escape the cycle.

 

[Glorified Ape]

Our legal system is set up just fine when it comes to reckognizing abuse.   What's the difference wether it's a man beating the crap out of another man in front of a bar, a man beating up his wife, a woman beating up her husband, a man beating up his husband, or what have ya?   In any situation, assault is assault, and the police know how to deal with it.  

If by legal system you also mean the legislative branch, I have to disagree - legislation and political efforts have concentrated almost solely on women. This is to say nothing of all the government programs and funding that have done the same exact thing. The government seems to conveniently miss/forget/ignore all the statistical data showing that men and women, on average, abuse their spouses/partners (opposite sex couples) at almost an identical rate (sometimes more often, depending on the type of abuse). There are differences in the abuse sometimes - men generally inflict more damage if abusive, women use a weapon more often when abusing (like in Senner's case). There has been, literally, NO effort to create equality in the resources and efforts dedicated to abuse. To hear the government and women's groups tell it, you'd think women never hit men which, of course, is absolutely false - we smack each other around at almost identical rates but it would appear that hypocrisy is alive and well - it's OK if a woman does it but not if a man does it.

If anyone's interested, I have a bunch of sources on the subject I found doing paper research a while back. You're welcome to them if you want them.

 

[Cloud Cover]

If by legal system you also mean the legislative branch, I have to disagree - legislation and political efforts have concentrated almost solely on women. This is to say nothing of all the government programs and funding that have done the same exact thing. The government seems to conveniently miss/forget/ignore all the statistical data showing that men and women, on average, abuse their spouses/partners (opposite sex couples) at almost an identical rate (sometimes more often, depending on the type of abuse). There are differences in the abuse sometimes - men generally inflict more damage if abusive, women use a weapon more often when abusing (like in Senner's case). There has been, literally, NO effort to create equality in the resources and efforts dedicated to abuse. To hear the government and women's groups tell it, you'd think women never hit men which, of course, is absolutely false - we smack each other around at almost identical rates but it would appear that hypocrisy is alive and well - it's OK if a woman does it but not if a man does it.

If anyone's interested, I have a bunch of sources on the subject I found doing paper research a while back. You're welcome to them if you want them.

I would agree with those statements, but I would add that the government influences the method of data collection [by altering questions or restricting what can/cannot be collected) and then grants money to selected researchers in order to politicize the results or effectively gaurantee the results.. 

 

[Glorified Ape]

I would agree with those statements, but I would add that the government influences the method of data collection [by altering questions or restricting what can/cannot be collected) and then grants money to selected researchers in order to politicize the results or effectively gaurantee the results..    

Bang on, in most cases. The "studies" funded by the Commission on the Status of Women were largely of that calibre - little more than feminist tripe dressed up as factual data - crap like using clinical samples and generalizing the results over the populous. Gee, while we're at it, why don't we take a survey of all the people in a hospital, see how many are sick, and generalize that 80% of the Canadian population is sick.

On the other hand, there have been studies like the General Social Survey which have been government funded but have found gender parity in domestic violence. This problem gets solved either by not releasing these results or by mentioning them off-handedly in one line, immersed in other data singing the sorrows of the poor poor female sex. It's absolute crap, but that's what we get in an age of uncontested feminism.

 

[NavComm]

Glorified Ape, your comments on this subject are refreshing. For years I felt like the only person (in my circle) who had a problem with the inequality in this domaine.

Women abuse their children,  parents and spouses on a pretty much equal par as men do. It's such a taboo, it seems to me, to discuss this. Why can't we just admit that humans abuse humans, yes, even in domestic situations and provide the help and support necessary to stop the cycle of violence? It's not a gender issue, it's a human issue. IMHO

 

[Glorified Ape]

Glorified Ape, your comments on this subject are refreshing. For years I felt like the only person (in my circle) who had a problem with the inequality in this domaine.

Women abuse their children,   parents and spouses on a pretty much equal par as men do. It's such a taboo, it seems to me, to discuss this. Why can't we just admit that humans abuse humans, yes, even in domestic situations and provide the help and support necessary to stop the cycle of violence? It's not a gender issue, it's a human issue. IMHO

Preeeeee-cisely. I've felt the same way - guys these days generally just bow to whatever crap feminism spews out for fear of being called pigs if they argue - it's nice to find someone who will. I don't know how many countless hours I've spent verbally bludgeoning men and women with study after study demonstrating that, contrary to their sexist belief, women are just as a-holish, depraved, evil, and violent as we are. Once the segment of the female population that considers itself eternally hard-done by, maligned, abused, superior, etc. has been winnowed to a sufficiently small number, we can start addressing human problems as human problems. Until that time, we're going to be stuck with the predominant opinion (predominant because it's the one most shrilly, relentlessly, and ignorantly forwarded) that women = good/infinitely innocent/non-culpable in anything and everything because of their "mis-treatement" by the patriarchy/entitled to better treatment, while men = evil/malicious/abusive/primitive/ignorant/violent/unthinking/100% responsible for everything bad.

 

[NavComm]

I believe we're still on topic here, because we're talking about the inequal treatment of female offenders vs. male offenders vis-a-vis the Senner sentence.

As an anecdote to my previous points: last night I was woken up by a drunken woman at 4 a.m. She was screaming abuse and obscenities at someone. After about 15 minutes of this I decided I wasn't going to get much sleep as she was blowing her car horn to drive the point home so I got up and had a snack.

I went out to my balcony and could see this very calm man, speaking quietly to her, trying to calm her down. She was in the driver's seat of her car and was calling him every bad name she could think of at the top of her lungs, throwing things at him and he was dodging it all.

Anyway, she eventually drove away and he went inside quietly. It was clear to me which one of those people was completely out of control and violent. No police came. Neighbours yelled at her to be quiet. If that had been a man yelling, screaming, throwing stuff and honking his horn for 30 minutes, the VPD would have been all over it. I wonder if the police had come, what are the chances they would have arrested her?

 

[KevinB]

Uhm she was impaired - and no-one did anything...  :-\  Hmmm  maybe you should have...
I agree with your last two posts about the disparity between the sexes.  However part of fixing that issue is recognising it and acting.

 

[NavComm]

Uhm she was impaired - and no-one did anything...  :-\  Hmmm  maybe you should have...
I agree with your last two posts about the disparity between the sexes.  However part of fixing that issue is recognising it and acting.

Maybe I should have done something. But I'm not a cop and I have children so I'm not going to insert myself into a domestic dispute and end up being shot or stabbed, tyvm.

She wasn't physically attacking him except for throwing things inside the car at him which he dodged.

I agree that the gender inequality in domestic cases needs to be addressed, and hopefully the hue and cry about the light sentence given to Ms. Senner will be the catalyst that does just that, finally.

 

[Glorified Ape]

She likely would have been charged for DUI but if the guy tried to charge her with assault for throwing that crap at him it's unlikely she'd have gotten in much, if any, sh-t. The courts generally don't give woman-on-man assault cases much credence since it's societally acceptable for a woman to smack a man - hell, they even depict it, with humour, in advertising.

Equal rights is equal rights. If a woman did something I'd hit a man for (which are very few in number), I'd give her the same treatment. To do any less would be sexist.  ;D

 

[NavComm]

Ape, maybe I shouldn't have laughed at that, but I did!

One of my neighbours did go down to see if he could be of any help, but he said there wasn't much he could do, so he used his cellphone to take a picture of her license plate.

Another lovely night in the neighbourhood  :