Local 416

[mariomike]

Best wishes and good luck to The City of Toronto's Paramedics, Electronic Technicians, Mechanics, Electricians, Machinists, Plumbers, Welders, Heavy Equipment Operators, Millwrights, Operating Engineers, Carpenters, Gas Fitters, Marine Engineers, Refrigeration and Air Conditioning Mechanics, other members this stressful weekend.

 

[zipperhead_cop]

Why?  What's going on this weekend.  (But good luck to them regardless)

 

[mariomike]

Thanks, Zipperhead-cop!
They have a strike deadline on Monday:
http://www.local416.org/files/file/outside_bargaining3B_12June091pdf.pdf

 

[bradlupa]

Don't forget about the most important section of all garbage removal thank god i dont live there

 

[zipperhead_cop]

Hopefully your talks go better than the ones here in Windsor.  However, from what my fire fighter buddy from TO tells me, Toronto City Counsel isn't overwhelmingly generous.
(Unless you are some freak, hippy special interest type)

 

[mariomike]

Hopefully your talks go better than the ones here in Windsor.  However, from what my fire fighter buddy from TO tells me, Toronto City Counsel isn't overwhelmingly generous.
(Unless you are some freak, hippy special interest type)

Firefighters received 9.8% over three years; police 10.3% over three years; TTC received 9% over three years.
In addition, the city presented Toronto Paramedics with 118 pages of concessions.

 

[zipperhead_cop]

I have never understood why Paramedics are the red headed foster children of emergency response.  IMO, they work harder than we do (and everyone works harder than the bucket boys) and serve a really critical role. 
Best of luck again! 

 

[bradlupa]

I have nothing against paramedics, nor any job.  But I dont see how they work harder then we do expecially the bucket boys.

I have never understood why Paramedics are the red headed foster children of emergency response.  IMO, they work harder than we do (and everyone works harder than the bucket boys) and serve a really critical role. 
Best of luck again! 

Now by bucket boys i'm sure your are refering to firefighters.

just a quick comparison

Paramedics- perform first aid in sometimes adverse conditions
Firefighters- perform first aid before paramedics get there in adverse conditions

Paramedics- drive at high speeds to get to victim
Firefighters- drive at high speeds (when they can get up to it) to get to victim

Paramedics - wait outside of the burning building to help with victims
Firefighters - hmm come out of the burning building with victims and if medics is not there perform cpr/first aid/defib

Paramedic- work at all hours of the day
Firefighters- work all hours of the day

I think that we work the same and should be treated the same, so medics may not go into the building be we are trained and use some of the most update technology to get them out plus we cannot refuse to go in if an officer say go in you go in.

Edited to be true

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

bradlupa,

I have dealing with the Occupational Health and Safety Act at work and, yes although I was only a volunteer firefighter before, we fell under the same regulations and I have never heard or read anything verifing your last statement.

Can you provide a link because I can't find it.

 

[bradlupa]

RIGHT TO REFUSE OR TO STOP WORK WHERE HEALTH OR SAFETY IN DANGER

Refusal to work

Non-application to certain workers

43.  (1)  This section does not apply to a worker described in subsection (2),

(a) when a circumstance described in clause (3) (a), (b) or (c) is inherent in the worker’s work or is a normal condition of the worker’s employment; or

(b) when the worker’s refusal to work would directly endanger the life, health or safety of another person. R.S.O. 1990, c. O.1, s. 43 (1).

Idem

(2)  The worker referred to in subsection (1) is,

(a) a person employed in, or a member of, a police force to which the Police Services Act applies;

(b) a firefighter as defined in subsection 1 (1) of the Fire Protection and Prevention Act, 1997;

(c) a person employed in the operation of,

(i) a correctional institution or facility,

(ii) a place of secure custody designated under section 24.1 of the Young Offenders Act (Canada), whether in accordance with section 88 of the Youth Criminal Justice Act (Canada) or otherwise,


here is the link

I did make a mistake Section 21 is guidance note for the fire service section 43 is for the refusal of work

 

[Sheerin]

Good luck, mario and the other medics of 416!

 

[zipperhead_cop]

I have nothing against paramedics, nor any job.  But I dont see how they work harder then we do expecially the bucket boys.

And this is why we end up with shaved, oiled, manscaped Hoseboy calenders    When you guys work, you work very hard in very dangerous conditions.  However, what percentage of your calls for service are fully involved fires?  And how many hours of your day are spent taking calls? 
FYI, my best friend is a Toronto firefighter and is used to getting his stones broken about his professions lack of work ethic.  Usually, he has some great cop zingers.  Sorry you were one of the ones who needs hugs not hurts.  Have a nice Zima and a detox seaweed wrap.  It will all seem better after soup  ;D

Besides, this is supposed to be about the strike.  However, a "Firefighters Expecially Need Love Too" split would be a great thread. 

 

[bradlupa]

lol that i dont need a hug maybe some love though, yes i feel bad for the strike victims but give it a few days and the city will have to negotiate, or the wonderful gov. will force them back to work.

as for the number of fully involved calls they are few and far between but i might as he have far more lift assits for the ambulance then structure fires.  but back to the news in stinky city here is zipper-cop take it away.

 

[mariomike]

RIGHT TO REFUSE OR TO STOP WORK WHERE HEALTH OR SAFETY IN DANGER

Thanks for omitting Paramedics.
Ref: 43 - 2- d -iii
That's from the link you provided.

 

[bradlupa]

i didn't omitt it on purpose just didn't want to overload my post but yes the ambulance service is in there

 

[mariomike]

Good luck, mario and the other medics of 416!

Thank you, Sheerin.
Actually, Mario is my son's name.
Also, for the record, I am just a pensioner living in Toronto.
But, my heart will always be with Canada's Armed Forces, and her emergency services.

 

[Sheerin]

Thank you, Sheerin.
Actually, Mario is my son's name.
Also, for the record, I am just a pensioner living in Toronto.
But, my heart will always be with Canada's Armed Forces, and her emergency services.

Were you a medic with Toronto at any point?
I just wrote the A-EMCA 2 weeks ago Wednesday... it was quite possibly the hardest test I've ever written (which includes many many many exams during my undergrad and paramedic school!).

Hopefully CUPE 416 will get their demands, and that Toronto hires more medics! 

 

[mariomike]

Were you a medic with Toronto at any point?

Yes, from Sept 1972 to 31 May 2009. I was a P1. I worked ambulance, ESU and MPU.

 

[Sheerin]

any advice on how to have such a long career in EMS? 



Congratulations on retirement, btw!

 

[mariomike]

any advice on how to have such a long career in EMS? 

Find the right partner.