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Local 416

bradlupa said:
According to the Toronto fire fighters that I know they work 7 days a months.  Seems to me why they like it.

It works out - in the long run, whatever the shift pattern- to 10 X 24hr shifts every six weeks.
ie: one 24 hour shift = three 8 hour shifts when calculating vacation and sick days.

hahaha I don't know how that pic found it's way on to my post but, if it's ok with the mods, I'll leave it. Not sure how to remove it anyway!
 
zipperhead_cop said:
That got dropped off our contract over 15 years ago.  That is a jammy thing to have, but I think it's pretty rare.  From what I understand, even being able to accumulate sick time is sort of special. 

I was a member of Local 416 all my working life. We always got 18 days a year, and six months "gratuity" when we retired. I put my gratuity into an RRSP.
It has been that way since time immemorial.
http://www.local416.org/files/file/TCEU%20History.pdf

 
Our Paramedics received support yesterday at Nathan Phillip's Square. In attendance where the heads of the Toronto Police and Fire  unions.
Here is a couple of letters. I know "Derek" very well. Not sure who "Mandy" is:
"Twenty-five per cent of paramedics are on strike!  Miller acts as though this isn't happening!!  Stop saying that EMS is an essential service!  It's not and the city knows this!  Everyone is talking about our 18 sick days. Well that is 18, 8-hour sick days!!  We work 12-14 hour shifts.  So do the math. Twelve sick days a year...the AVERAGE of any public sector business!  Management gets a performance bonus in the City Of Toronto. Union workers don't get bonuses.

"The GTA property taxes are anywhere from $4,000 - $5,000 dollars.  Not the little $1,600 - $2,200 Torontonians pay.

"So Mayor Miller you said it yourself. "Welfare Costs are up".  Here goes. Raise taxes to the GTA average, stop paying those who don't work, and pay those that do!!

"As a paramedic I have been yelled at while working that "I should be ashamed of myself!"  I don't know for what???  I know. It has got to be ashamed of myself for risking my LIFE driving through red lights and through traffic to get to your house, then walking into your diseased personal space to help you. Then taking your illness home to my wife and kids. Only to be ashamed to use sick time that you paid for, so I could recover from what YOU gave me???"
Derek, Frustrated EMS Paramedic

"People don't realize why paramedics get 18 sick days a year. It is because they are first on scene and don't always know what they are walking into. During SARS they were responding to calls for heart attacks, and instead, going into situations where there were SARS symptoms.

"Of course they let the nurses and doctors know what was coming in so they could protect themselves, something the real frontline workers did not have the advantage of. When a paramedic gets spit on by an HIV victim or comes in contact with a contagious person and get sick they do not get short term sick leave. They use their sick days as the only way to not spread sickness without getting workplace harassment.

"As well, the city is trying to take away their seniority rights. I am sure anyone working anywhere does not want his job taken over by a new graduate because they are fresh out of school. Do people really want all new graduates for paramedics or a combination of new and experienced ones? Is it really fair that people with 25 years experience have no advantage over new hires in any job?

"Before anyone voices negative opinions about any of the city workers they should try doing the 12 hour plus shifts the paramedics and others are doing, they should try doing these shifts without a guaranteed lunch break or a definite end time.

"People with 9-5 jobs should be thankful they can leave at the end of the day, and not do up to 3 hours end of shift time, because they are in an emergency situation and cannot leave until it is finished. Also they are then still expected to put in their 12 hours the next day.

"So please do not throw insults around because maybe you are inconvenienced until you walk in their shoes. They do not tell you how to do your jobs!"
Mandy H.
http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_35593.aspx
http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_35616.aspx


 
The ability to accumulate and cash out sick leave is unique to the public sector (and limited there).  To accumulate sick leave in case a tragic event occurs while working?  Fine.  Cash it out at the end?  No.  (That's me, wearing a taxpayer hat).

Second, blocking waste transfer stations is not good PR.  Have informational pickets?  Sure.  Talk to peopel?  Sure.  Help the elderly ?  Great way to get good PR.  Piss people off by letting though one every 15 minutes?  Not gonna get public support.

The issues, of course, are much greater than just sick leave and garbage.  But the public sector as a whole needs a solid dose of reality, starting with the elected "leadership".
 
dapaterson said:
the public sector as a whole needs a solid dose of reality, starting with the elected "leadership".

The President of Local 416 is a Paramedic. It is the first time in the history of our local that a Paramedic has held that position. Paramedics make up a minority of 800 in a Local of 6,200. Our leaders were always members of other outside trades. They used the ambulancemen as their "atomic bomb" during negotiations. We saved them from having to go on strike from 1972-2002, until the "Ambulance Services Collective Bargaining Act, 2001" was shoved down our throats:
http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_01a10_e.htm
Toronto Police, Fire, Hydro, TTC, Community Housing, Parking Authority Library and Port Authority received wage increases without concessions on benefits. City Paramedics get a solid dose of reality every shift.
I recently heard on the radio a ridiculous suggestion that the mayor should in the army for garbage, like when they called in troops to shovel snow.
If interested, this is their collective agreement:
http://www.toronto.ca/employment/pdf/local416_collective_agreement_05-08.pdf

 
Pickets ease wait time
New rules allow quicker dumping

By DON PEAT, SUN MEDIA

Trash tossers, time is now on our side.

If you're trying to toss your trash at Toronto's garbage transfer stations, pickets shouldn't be making you wait, CUPE officials said yesterday.

CUPE spokesman Pat Daley told the Sun last night that a kindler, gentler new strike protocol for transfer station picket lines is being rolled out across the city.

In the first few days of the civic workers strike, residents wanting to dump their trash legally at several transfer stations around the city were facing long waits as pickets were limiting dumping to one person every 15 minutes.

"We're not asking people to wait," Daley said. "There may be a delay because of lineups but they were holding people for 15 minutes and they're not doing that now.

"Our folks will help unload garbage up to a certain point where management can come and pick it up."

And while the new protocol is still subject to change, Daley said it just makes sense in the heat wave.

http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2009/06/25/9918461-sun.html
 
Baden  Guy said:
Pickets ease wait time
New rules allow quicker dumping

By DON PEAT, SUN MEDIA

Trash tossers, time is now on our side.
http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2009/06/25/9918461-sun.html

Wow, I wonder why Toronto garbage is more important that Windsor garbage?  Because here, they are making people wait over an hour sometimes.  And when last I saw our "professional city workers" they were knocking over garbage cans along the waterfront after the Freedom Festival fireworks display. 
 
ZC: Perhaps the Toronto union has realized that public support will be decisive in this strike.  Maintaining a confrontational attitude towards the public undermines public support for the strikers.  It looks like the unions in Toronto are tryign instead to undermine public support for the Mayor - "Yeah, we're on strike, but we're fighting City Hall, not the taxpayers."  A message that will resonate much more with city residents.
 
Thank God the LCBO didn't strike. I could have seen the story lines now. 

Public getting better aim with trash, since they are not trashed
 
dapaterson said:
ZC: Perhaps the Toronto union has realized that public support will be decisive in this strike.

I would agree with that.  I just don't get when the same union decides that the people of one city are not worth consideration and should be subjected to thuggery and unlawful confinement. 
 
dapaterson said:
Perhaps the Toronto union has realized that public support will be decisive in this strike.  Maintaining a confrontational attitude towards the public undermines public support for the strikers.  It looks like the unions in Toronto are tryign instead to undermine public support for the Mayor - "Yeah, we're on strike, but we're fighting City Hall, not the taxpayers."  A message that will resonate much more with city residents.

The 6 o'clock news showed the President of Local 416, Mark Ferguson who is a Paramedic, helping people unload their car trunks at a transfer station and carrying their garbage in for them.
 
Paramedics threaten to walk

May withdraw services just as thousands jam streets for Gay Pride: Union

By DON PEAT, SUN MEDIA

Last Updated: 27th June 2009, 3:17am

   
Paramedics in Canada's largest city may not be on the job tomorrow, their union rep warns.

CUPE 416 ambulance unit chairman Glenn Fontaine said if city negotiators don't start seriously addressing EMS issues at the bargaining table by suppertime tonight, there will be a withdrawal of service starting just in time for Toronto's Gay Pride Parade when hundreds of thousands of people are expected on downtown streets.

"There will be no paramedics," Fontaine told the Sun yesterday. "If they don't come down to talk about EMS issues, and issues in bargaining as a whole, there will be no paramedics available Sunday during the hours of Gay Pride or maybe all day Sunday.

"Enough is enough ... paramedics are saying to me that they don't want to show up to work anymore until their issues are dealt with."

Both City of Toronto officials and Local 416 president Mark Ferguson stressed they want paramedics to honour the essential services agreement (ESA) between the city and the union that sets out strict parameters to how EMS operates during a strike action.

"Glenn is not authorized to or condoned to make those types of decisions," Ferguson said last night. "Those decisions rest solely with the president ... it is our intent to follow the essential services agreement in place."

But Fontaine, a member of the CUPE bargaining team at the table with the city, said he'd need a promise in good faith from negotiators to avert the potential walk-out and that promise must come by 6 p.m. today.

"(The city) would not have any issue if they would talk about training and car counts ... they're playing Russian roulette with citizens' lives," said the outspoken EMS union leader.

Paramedics, members of CUPE 416, are on strike with their fellow civic workers but are operating under their ESA. The agreement lowers staffing levels but aims to ensure EMS can still respond to high-priority calls on time.

The city's senior spokesman, Kevin Sack, said they expect the union's paramedics to honour the agreement, particularly during the city's important Pride festival.

He pointed to a CUPE Ontario press release issued earlier yesterday pledging support to the parade.

"It's a shock to the City of Toronto that we would hear from the very same union making a threat to the safety of people attending this event," Sack said.

"The city is extraordinarily supportive of its paramedics and the work they do."

"Paramedics are an extremely professional group of people that our residents rely on for health and safety every minute of the day, and that is why their role and what is permitted during a labour disruption is clearly laid out under an agreement," Sack said, adding the city is committed to delivering a level of emergency services throughout the strike. "We rely on the union abiding by the agreement that they have with us."

Fontaine charges the staffing levels are putting people's lives at risk and management is already violating the agreement by doing the work of unionized paramedics.

Sack said the city is "absolutely respecting" the agreement with its paramedics.

"Non-union staff and management staff are providing services across the city to protect the health and safety of our residents," he said.

Ferguson said he understands paramedics' frustration but appealed for calm from members of the EMS unit.

"All paramedics will continue to work in accordance with the essential services agreement that is in place between the union and the city of Toronto," he said. "We are in no way advocating the withdrawal of any services during this labour disruption."

[email protected]
http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2009/06/27/9951561-sun.html
 
Toronto paramedics threaten to strike
680News staff with a report Toronto Sun | Saturday, June 27th, 2009 7:33 am

Toronto paramedics are threatening to walk off the job tomorrow, leaving the Pride parade without medical service.

A union spokesperson tells the Toronto Sun if negotiations don't start addressing EMS issues by this evening, they're scaling back service.

The representative says paramedics won't be available during the parade, and maybe even the entire day.

However, the unions president says the ambulance unit isn't authorized to make those decisions, and has strict rules to work in a strike.
http://www.680news.com/news/headlines/more.jsp?content=20090627_073125_6696
 
bradlupa said:
I think that we work the same and should be treated the same, so medics may not go into the building be we are trained and use some of the most update technology to get them out plus we cannot refuse to go in if an officer say go in you go in.

Edited to be true

First, I have to ask what kind of officer you're referring to, that'll order you into a (burning?) building?

Second, are we talking about a building that's soon to be fully involved and is proven to have no one inside and has no contents that constitute a danger to the public?


Because if we are, even though there is no such thing as a stupid worker ::), anyone following such order(s) would have some serious explaining to do, and the "officer" would likely be facing prosecution, should injury or death occur, due to his orders. Hell, never mind injury. A complaint to the MOL call centre would probably get the ball rolling.

Besides, that's what insurance is for. You are not in the business of risking life and limb to reduce private company payouts.
 
Paramedics rep charged
Ambulance left at City Hall


By TAMARA CHERRY, SUN MEDIA  Last Updated: 8th July 2009, 3:58am

A top union representative for Toronto's paramedics is accused of stealing an ambulance and parking it in front of City Hall hours after thousands of civic workers walked off the job.

Glenn Fontaine -- CUPE Local 416's ambulance unit chairman -- was arrested Monday on two counts of taking an auto without consent and two counts of mischief interfering with property.

The allegations against the 45-year-old Barrie man date to June 22 at 3:06 a.m., when police were called about an ambulance that was parked on Queen St. W. with its lights activated and a union poster on the vehicle, police said yesterday.

According to a source, the ambulance was left in front of City Hall.

Fontaine was released from custody, pending a court appearance at Old City Hall on Aug. 11.

Four days after the alleged ambulance incident, Fontaine threatened to withdraw paramedic services in time for the annual Pride Parade if city negotiators didn't address outstanding issues. That threat was publicly opposed by CUPE president Mark Ferguson.

The city ultimately went to the Ontario Labour Relations Board, which ordered Toronto paramedics threatening job action to show up for duty at the parade.

While Fontaine wouldn't comment, union spokesman Pat Daley said: "We are aware of the charges and Local 416 has ensured that he (Fontaine) has legal counsel."

Fontaine will maintain his post throughout the court proceedings, Daley said.

 
I feel ashamed by that news. There's no excuse. 
All most of us ever wanted was to operate independant of the bigger Metro departments, and get the hell out of  the garabagemen's union.
 
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