LPC leadership race - 2025

[ModlrMike]

Carney, the temp PM, has won his seat in how many federal elections? Ohhhhhh.

I don't think he's any kind of PM until he holds a seat in the house.

 

[YZT580]

Your kidding, right? He was weak and feeble on that stage. Donald Trump will destroy this man, Pierre will demolish him in leadership debates and the youth of this nation (under 45 crowd) have total dislike for him. He is way more out of touch than Trudeau was. Carney is gonna get slaughtered in the federal election. You can't see that coming?

I think that you are a hopeless romantic but I sure hope that you are right

 

[Good2Golf]

I don't think he's any kind of PM until he holds a seat in the house.

He would be the PM, just wouldn’t be able to sit in the house since he’s not an MP…

 

[PrairieFella]

I don't think he's any kind of PM until he holds a seat in the house.

Convention dictates the writ will drop very shortly in this scenario but he is legally the PM now.

 

[ArmyRick]

Convention dictates the writ will drop very shortly in this scenario but he is legally the PM now.

Just Like Jon Turner in '84.

 

[Good2Golf]

Convention dictates the writ will drop very shortly in this scenario but he is legally the PM now.

In the alternative, an existing Liberal MP could resign and they could hold a by-Election that Carney could run in, and hope to win. Hard to say what a guaranteed riding would be though…

 

[PrairieFella]

The Liberal Party of Canada has learned nothing, the only question that remains is have Canadians learned anything?

I would like to think that Canadians have but I suspect I will be disappointed by Canadians and I expect to continue to be disappointed by Canada as a nation and as a state due to the actions of the Liberal Party and those who vote for it.

If the  Reform Conservative Party snatches defeat from the jaws of victory here they have no one to blame but themselves. Pierre's campaign and leadership can be best described as "Verb the Noun" and offers little beyond that. It's ironic, if Pierre had been leader when O'Toole was leader, they probably would have won a landslide victory. The opposite is also true.

All I know is a reckoning is needed and that the Conservatives need a hard rebrand away from the American style conservatism and to pivot towards our more classical UK style conservatism. King and Country type stuff.

 

[PrairieFella]

Just Like Jon Turner in '84.

It's actually quite common in Parliamentary systems, which is why the convention is to have elections ASAP.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Other Liberal governments - in the past - were able to do it so let's hope that Carney, the financial guru, can turn this economic mess around.

Justin Trudeau’s legacy—record-high spending and massive debt​

The numbers don’t lie.

For example, from 2018 to 2023 Justin Trudeau recorded the six-highest levels of spending (on a per-person basis, after adjusting for inflation) in Canadian history, even after excluding emergency spending during the pandemic. For context, that means the Trudeau government spent more per person during those six years than the federal government spent during the Great Depression, both world wars and the height of the Global Financial Crisis in 2008-09.

Unsurprisingly, the Trudeau government was unable to balance the budget during his nine years in power. After first being elected in 2015, Trudeau promised to balance the budget by 2019—then ran nine consecutive deficits including an astonishing $61.9 billion deficit for the 2023/24 fiscal year, the largest deficit of any year outside of COVID.

The result? Historically high levels of government debt compared to previous prime ministers. From 2020 to 2023, the government racked up the four highest years of total federal debt per person (inflation-adjusted) in Canadian history. Compared to 2014/15 (the last full year under Prime Minister Harper), federal debt per person had increased by $14,127 (as of 2023/24).

While a portion of this debt accumulation took place during the pandemic, a sizable chunk of federal COVID-related spending was wasteful. And federal debt increased significantly before, during and after the pandemic. In short, you can’t blame COVID for the Trudeau government’s wild spending and borrowing spree.

Justin Trudeau’s legacy—record-high spending and massive debt

The government ran nine consecutive deficits including a $61.9 billion deficit last fiscal year.

www.fraserinstitute.org

 

[dapaterson]

Fraser Institute is not non partisan or objective.

It would be like asking the Canadian Labour Congress to evaluate a Conservative government; you know the results without reading it.

 

[ArmyRick]

Fraser Institute is not non partisan or objective.

It would be like asking the Canadian Labour Congress to evaluate a Conservative government; you know the results without reading it.

What part of their report is inaccurate?

 

[Jarnhamar]

he is legally the PM now.

Trudeau is still the PM until he decides to let it go.

 

[Good2Golf]

Trudeau is still the PM until he decides to let it go.

Indeed, the difference between “I intend to resign…” and “I have tendered my resignation, effective DD MMM (…YYYY).”

 

[PrairieFella]

Trudeau is still the PM until he decides to let it go.

Did Trudeau not resign effective the selection of a new leader? Carney is being reported as our new PM.

 

[Good2Golf]

Indeed, the difference between “I intend to resign…” and “I have tendered my resignation, effective DD MMM (…YYYY).”

…and I challenge myself, by referring back to the LPC Constitution…



so under article 44.c. carney in the new LPC Leader and so if the Liberal caucus agrees that he represent the Party as the PM, then that should mean he’s it. (Barring any nuance of the Canadian Parliamentary process to the contrary.)

 

[lenaitch]

Convention dictates the writ will drop very shortly in this scenario but he is legally the PM now.

Not until Trudeau formally resigns and Carney is sworn in. Some media outlets are saying sometime this week.

Swearing-In of a Ministry

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www.gg.ca

 

[ArmyRick]

In the alternative, an existing Liberal MP could resign and they could hold a by-Election that Carney could run in, and hope to win. Hard to say what a guaranteed riding would be though…

Brian Lilley (Toronto Sun journalist) has stated his inside sources have confirmed the LPC has already rented (and wrapped) several tour buses and planes for March and April. So its probably going to be a general election.

 

[Fabius]

All I know is a reckoning is needed and that the Conservatives need a hard rebrand away from the American style conservatism and to pivot towards our more classical UK style conservatism. King and Country type stuff.

The LPC needed a hard rebrand away from the left and a pivot towards more classical liberalism. Personal responsibility and personal freedom type stuff, things the LPC has not stood for in decades.

 

[daftandbarmy]

More 'mixed legacy' stuff...

The mixed government legacy of Justin Trudeau​

Ten years after taking office, the prime minister leaves Canada with a more progressive tax system and less child poverty while the broader economy has lagged.

A mixed macroeconomic legacy​

Trudeau took office amid an economic slowdown largely driven by falling oil prices. His government responded with an emphasis on stimulus spending and direct financial support to struggling industries and workers. Oil producing regions, and the country as a whole, emerged from that first crisis, mostly unscathed. But his government’s efforts at promoting longer-term sustained growth has met with much less success.

Canada’s GDP per capita, a key measure of economic progress, has stagnated. While GDP growth itself has been positive, population growth has outpaced economic expansion, leading to weaker per-person gains. Before the pandemic, every previous Canadian recession since 1981 had been followed by above-trend per capita GDP growth. That pattern did not hold after COVID-19. By 2023, per capita GDP was about $3,000 lower than what historical trends would have predicted.

One of the key drivers of this stagnation has been underinvestment in productivity-enhancing sectors. The Bank of Canada has warned that workforce training, labor-market efficiency, and competition policy require urgent attention to improve Canada’s long-term economic health.

The mixed government legacy of Justin Trudeau

Ten years after taking office, the prime minister leaves Canada with a more progressive tax system and less child poverty while the broader economy has lagged.

policyoptions.irpp.org

And another disaster story...

Livio Di Matteo: Justin Trudeau’s disastrous economic legacy in six charts​

Livio Di Matteo: Justin Trudeau’s disastrous economic legacy in six charts

thehub.ca

And a bad news chart going the other way

Expanding government and the debt​

Trudeau’s legacy will include the significant expansion of the size of the federal government and of the national debt under his tenure. Part of this was unavoidable: The pandemic years, when lockdowns resulted in a major contraction in the global economy, led to unprecedented fiscal interventions in countries around the world. New programs such as the Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy and the Canada Emergency Business Account were introduced in 2020 and, though designed to help people who lost their jobs and keep businesses afloat, came at huge cost to the federal coffers. Some also argued that while well-intentioned, they went too far, were poorly designed and were ripe for fraud. Overall, the federal debt almost doubled to $1.236 trillion in 2024 from $619.3 billion in 2015. Trudeau’s reign also saw a huge expansion of the federal public service workforce, which increased to 367,772 employees from 257,034.

These 10 key decisions will shape Justin Trudeau’s economic legacy — for better or worse

From Freeland to the TMX and EVs, the Financial Post takes a look at key moments in the outgoing prime minister's nine-year tenure. Read on.

financialpost.com

 

[ModlrMike]

He needs to be anointed appointed by the GG as well.