LPC leadership race - 2025

[Czech_pivo]

I don’t think any of you have asked this question or addressed this - ‘What has Trump said or done since Carney has announced as the new Liberal leader and our soon to be sworn in PM?’
Has Trump congratulated him
? Has Trump called him ‘Governor’? Has Trump said that he’s someone that he can worked with?
If we haven’t gotten a sense of these things yet then Trump isn’t looking for a deal with us, he’s out to break us.

 

[PrairieFella]

Great. Liberals run the government forever with the NDP and Greens licking their boots for scraps.

Would you rather majority governments with only 37ish percent of the national vote? Undemocratic.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Would you rather majority governments with only 37ish percent of the national vote? Undemocratic.

By that line of thinking, with only 62% of illegible voters casting a ballot, no Canadian Govt is 'democratic'.

 

[Navy_Pete]

I like boring competent managers a la Harper.

Carney would be that if not for his being another Butts/Telford/Chin meat puppet…

Paul Martin was also more boring manager than leader; he also had the guts to make some big spending cuts that were needed to get the deficit under control.

I will take competent managers over populist 'leaders' that flip on a dime to whatever is the trending and run out of depth once you get past the 30 second tiktok clip any day. I've had enough of leadership by soundbites for one lifetime.

 

[PrairieFella]

By that line of thinking, with only 62% of illegible voters casting a ballot, no Canadian Govt is 'democratic'.

Not at all the same. They made a democratic decision to vote "no one", I disagree with them for that but it's their right. One is a question of exercising one's rights, the other is a statistical aberration made possible by an antiquated voting system. Don't you think the Tories would want a level playing field when it came to vote efficiency?

 

[Lumber]

I see that at least one of you on here is a columnist for the beaverton

Newly-elected Mark Carney removes disguise to reveal maniacal, laughing Trudeau

OTTAWA - After winning the Liberal Party leadership race in a blowout victory, Prime Minister Designate Mark Carney removed his lifelike rubber mask to reveal that he had been current Prime Minister Justin Trudeau all along.

www.thebeaverton.com

 

[Halifax Tar]

I just want a government that won't turn my legally obtained and used property prohibited.

Is that too much to ask ? Don't answer, I know.

 

[Lumber]

I just want a government that won't turn my legally obtained and used property prohibited.

Is that too much to ask ? Don't answer, I know.

Yes, but what if your legally obtained property had a copy of it somewhere obtained illegally and used by a criminal to cause harm to other criminals?! Why are you being so selfish?!

 

[YZT580]

Not at all the same. They made a democratic decision to vote "no one", I disagree with them for that but it's their right. One is a question of exercising one's rights, the other is a statistical aberration made possible by an antiquated voting system. Don't you think the Tories would want a level playing field when it came to vote efficiency?

And how do you define vote efficiency? 7 people vote: 3 right side, 2 centrist but maybe slightly left, and 2 really left leaning with ideas that the other 5 voters don't want. The right side has taken the election but when you tally up the side votes we end up with significant representation from the loony left who pull the country in directions that no one wanted. (if you wish you can shift the votes and give us a really right side position as happened in Germany). There is no way around having a constant compromise that satisfies none of the major groups but gives the fringe a greater say then their numbers would dictate. For all its failings, first past the post is the better way.

 

[YZT580]

Yes, but what if your legally obtained property had a copy of it somewhere obtained illegally and used by a criminal to cause harm to other criminals?! Why are you being so selfish?!

the law doesn't do a thing to stop that individual, it only serves to limit the honest one.

 

[lenaitch]

I like boring competent managers a la Harper.

Carney would be that if not for his being another Butts/Telford/Chin meat puppet…

"Meat puppet": I'm stealing that.

Someone on another forum posted that Carney has said a new PMO; implying no Telford et al. I can't attribute that. Regardless, it will just be a continuation of government run by unelected, unaccountable party staffer who most Canadians don't know, rather than a Prime Minister who is accountable to an uncowed Cabinet and to Parliament. A 'new PMO' just means different and currently unknown inmates running the asylum.

Great. Liberals run the government forever with the NDP and Greens licking their boots for scraps.

Actually, a true coalition government would have the other parties share power (seats in Cabinet, etc.).

 

[FSTO]

Actually, a true coalition government would have the other parties share power (seats in Cabinet, etc.).

I don't think the LPC handlers will allow that.



It sure didn't take LPC partisans to get their old arrogant swagger back again. That is what really pisses me off about these guys. They think that the LPC is Canada and all others do not have the right to have any say in the direction of the country.

If Carney wins the election I predict nothing will change in this country. No renewal of the Public Service, no real change in foreign and defence policy, a scattering of big project ideas that go into the perpetual study cesspool, and a continued control of government by a small cabal of UoT, McGill, and Harvard grads who are the great grand sons and daughters of Desmarais Group Executives!

 

[IKnowNothing]

And how do you define vote efficiency? 7 people vote: 3 right side, 2 centrist but maybe slightly left, and 2 really left leaning with ideas that the other 5 voters don't want. The right side has taken the election but when you tally up the side votes we end up with significant representation from the loony left who pull the country in directions that no one wanted. (if you wish you can shift the votes and give us a really right side position as happened in Germany). There is no way around having a constant compromise that satisfies none of the major groups but gives the fringe a greater say then their numbers would dictate. For all its failings, first past the post is the better way.

My take on the current Canadian electorate- 9 people vote: 2 right, 2 centre right, 3 centre left, 2 left. In a perfect world the 5 to the centre are free to represent their true niche, and end up working across the aisle together.

What we've seen under the current system both the centre left and centre right are caught in a version of the prisoners dilemma where they need to consolidate the vote to have any chance to win- vote splitting sinks you. So the influence of the wings happens at the party level rather than the parliament, with party platforms and positioning being dictated by a strategy of not getting outflanked and losing support to the wings- hence LPC drift left, hence the CPC bus being driven by Reformers.

 

[Rifleman62]

In the alternative, an existing Liberal MP could resign and they could hold a by-Election that Carney could run in, and hope to win. Hard to say what a guaranteed riding would be though…

I'm curious what seat he'll run for.

Toronto Center. Marci Ien resigned three days ago.

338 Canada indicated Liberal leading.
Another woman thrown under the bus by the CPC. Plus a woman of colour.
Expect there will be a pretty good reward though.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Yes, but what if your legally obtained property had a copy of it somewhere obtained illegally and used by a criminal to cause harm to other criminals?! Why are you being so selfish?!

I know, I'm the problem. I'm sorry Canada.

 

[brihard]

Toronto Center. Marci Ien resigned three days ago.

338 Canada indicated Liberal leading.
Another woman thrown under the bus by the CPC. Plus a woman of colour.
Expect there will be a pretty good reward though.

I feel like they’ll want a safe seat to offer him. Take away the pressure of campaigning locally while also campaigning nationally.

 

[IKnowNothing]

Someone on another forum posted that Carney has said a new PMO; implying no Telford et al. I can't attribute that. Regardless, it will just be a continuation of government run by unelected, unaccountable party staffer who most Canadians don't know, rather than a Prime Minister who is accountable to an uncowed Cabinet and to Parliament. A 'new PMO' just means different and currently unknown inmates running the asylum.

Paul Wells' most recent newsletter (citing the Globe I believe) reports Janice Charette as playing a key role in his transition team. Appointed by Harper to Clerk of the Privy Council, did a stint as Charest's chief of staff when he was leader of the PC's.

Initially moved aside by Trudeau, but he did bring her back later.

Edit: Insightful commentary from Wells:

I don’t know whether this occurred to Carney, but Pierre Poilievre spent 2022 telling anyone who would listen that Conservatives mustn’t support people who think like Charest. It’s starting to look like Carney agrees.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I feel like they’ll want a safe seat to offer him. Take away the pressure of campaigning locally while also campaigning nationally.

Politicians should only be allowed to represent communities when they actually live there.

 

[FSTO]

Politicians should only be allowed to represent communities when they actually live there.

Parachuting is a time honoured tradition in the Parliamentary System.

At least we didn't import the Rotten Borough form of patronage from the Mother Country.

Rotten and pocket boroughs - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Remius]

I feel like they’ll want a safe seat to offer him. Take away the pressure of campaigning locally while also campaigning nationally.

His home town of Fort Smith might be up for grabs