M18A1 Claymore 'near miss' in Iraq (date u/k)- a gotta look- comments welcome

[1feral1]

GDay all, feel free to add what you think here, but if you are going 'techo', post what you know, no rumours or urban myths please.

Just imagine if these weenies would have detonated this device. At times I really wonder about common sense of some people, and especially trained soldiers in an operational environment. Many questions could be raised, such as where is the leadership and command in such circumstances?

Anyways, a while back I took a Claymore Operators course, and had on this occasion not only to use the real ones, but to bank 4 at a go. That was a shocker, and what an effect!!!!!

I have seen the results and witnessed many M18A1 detonations, and although I would not want to be on the recieving end of this proven weapon, the back end is bad too, especially within 10 metres or less.

Open this up and see for yourselves of 'what could have been'.


Cheers,



Wes

 

[William Webb Ellis]

sh*t I could have used that during rush hour today!

 

[GAP]

The are wonderful little toys for ambushes. Their sappers were very effective at crawling into the wire and re aiming them so they not only shot towards us, but set off the foogas barrels as well.

 

[Chimo]

This is another example of kit often talked about but seldom seen in the units. To gain competency with any item, but particularly like the Claymore or the Area Defence Weapon, soldiers need hand on experience.

Units need to have live mines to use, and feel and see the effects of this weapons system. We should never be seeing any weapon for the first time when we deploy. Better late then never, but ideally, we should be "training as we fight"!

Its a great weapon. 

 

[geo]

Chalk this up to be:
"it sounded like a good idea at the time"

 

[Big Red]

Apparantly it was a painted training claymore or non-lethal claymore that was mounted as a joke. Some commander went overboard and passed down the order saying not to use them on vehicles.

 

[1feral1]

Apparantly it was a painted training claymore or non-lethal claymore that was mounted as a joke. Some commander went overboard and passed down the order saying not to use them on vehicles.

See what I mean about rumours and urban legends! Back up your post with a reference. At the end of the day, the outcome would have been bad, and the misuse of HE-AP wpns must be highlighted. I am sure that if it was inert, this would have been stated that a trg aid was painted to immitate a HE device, etc.

That 'some comander' is a General BTW.

Wes

 

[geo]

Apparantly it was a painted training claymore or non-lethal claymore that was mounted as a joke. Some commander went overboard and passed down the order saying not to use them on vehicles.

while this 1st example might have been treated as a joke, a paserby would have seen it as a good idea and would have emulated the move with a real one......

and that wouldn't be a good thing.

 

[3rd Horseman]

I have no idea what the end effect would have been with that placement on that wheeled veh but it appears dangerous, and to be left after the patrol just sitting their is nuts. I have seen them employed on the M113. Slid down the grouser track pad holder on the newer M113. Never saw one used, but in the ambush it does appear comforting when your buttoned up inside and that is outside with the flip flops. I always saw them removed from the veh at the gate to the compound, I guess desperate times breeds desperate measures.