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Just curious how many do we have and are they still in our inventory now that we have pulled out of Bosnia.
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The Mamba (1) from Bosnia is now back in Canada, and is used as a Training Vehicle for units undergoing pre-deployment trg.
It is no longer used operationally as it has been replaced by the Nyala of which we currently have 3 Forces wide.
There is talk of buying a substancial quantity of these although I have never heard any firm commitment or exact numbers (less than 20 if I was a betting man).
It is no longer used operationally as it has been replaced by the Nyala of which we currently have 3 Forces wide.
There is talk of buying a substancial quantity of these although I have never heard any firm commitment or exact numbers (less than 20 if I was a betting man).
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Thanks guys I appreciate the responses.
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MCG said:
One of the 3 we have on Op Athena was very recently purchased and was still made by Vickers OMC/Alvis of South Africa. I have not heard anything about GM producing them in future, although nothing surprises me.
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We used the Mamba as a firing point on the disposal range just out side of Zygon.
Ever hear the story of those who filled the fender water tanks with fuel thinking they were spare fuel tank's?
It's a vehicle designed for the plains of Africa,we just have to improve it with a better engine vs fuel consumption vs weight,and better seats in the back
It's a agony wagon sitting in the back off road. :crybaby:
Ever hear the story of those who filled the fender water tanks with fuel thinking they were spare fuel tank's?
It's a vehicle designed for the plains of Africa,we just have to improve it with a better engine vs fuel consumption vs weight,and better seats in the back
It's a agony wagon sitting in the back off road. :crybaby:
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MCG said:
Some where back in the late 1990's, our RHQ went down to London for a week and we did a day tour of the GM Plant. They were just rolling off the first of the LAV IIIs at that time, and they had the frame built for their submission for the LUVW. It was to be along the HUMV lines. Within a year or two they had withdrawn from that project.
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The closest the U.S. has to a Mamba
It's a up armoured Hummer with armoured turret with a pintal mount for the anti material .50 rifle,with storage in back for Recce kit and tool's.
It's a tight fit inside when you have to wear all your kit and very cumbursome to exit in a hurry.
Quite the beast to drive,you feel the weight.
It's a up armoured Hummer with armoured turret with a pintal mount for the anti material .50 rifle,with storage in back for Recce kit and tool's.
It's a tight fit inside when you have to wear all your kit and very cumbursome to exit in a hurry.
Quite the beast to drive,you feel the weight.
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Spr.Earl said:
Not quite true...
The US has recently acquired a quanity of Force Protection, Inc.'s 'Cougar' Mine Protected Vehicle for use by engineers/EOD types in Iraq.
http://www.forceprotection.net/models/cougar/
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MCG said:
McG,
Yes, you are correct. A contact of mine in DLR tells me that DND is close to announcing that an order for more NYALAs is forthcoming. Contract will likely go to GM Defence in London, ON. Can't get more specific than that.
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I feel we need to seriously discuss the role of the Nayla on Operations. Many people feel that this vehicle is indestructible and can be used for anything.
I think Engineers at all levels need to be informed of its capabilities and limitations and be able to advise Commanders on them. Once again we have introduced a new piece of kit to the inventory without coming to grips with the nuts and bolts of the situation.
I fear that if we don't have a good understanding we are going to lose troops in a situation, where if they would of had greater knowledge, would have been saved.
I think Engineers at all levels need to be informed of its capabilities and limitations and be able to advise Commanders on them. Once again we have introduced a new piece of kit to the inventory without coming to grips with the nuts and bolts of the situation.
I fear that if we don't have a good understanding we are going to lose troops in a situation, where if they would of had greater knowledge, would have been saved.
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I have to sorta disagree with you....
I'm gonna try and keep this as close to a "Coles Notes" reply as possible:
***You will not see the word PROVING in here as it is no longer a recognised term, and has taken me a long time to eradicate it from my vocabulary in order to appease the Pointy Head Lawyers who come up with the terms in our SOP's***
The Nyala is a small piece of the whole "Designation of ground" puzzle, in the same manner as IMSMA Data, Viper Binos or any other tool we use. Good Int prior to a task, thorough preparation, study of local habits on site and a solid Engineer Ground Recce is gonna be the biggest factor as to wether anyone is going to be hurt.... Regardless of what vehicle someone is using.
Now without discussing specific SOP's in their entirety and speaking from experience as the Recce Sgt on Athena Roto III, I can assure you that no roads or areas are travelled on until a whole slew of tasks and other "things" are completed. The days of blasting all over, designating roads by the seat of our pants like I did as a Recce Driver on Palladium are over. Here are some specifics to consider:
We do not use the Nyala to travel routes that are considered High Risk.... Period. Having a Nyala is not an excuse to drive on High Risk routes, nor is it acceptable to do so. Had I intentionally done so on Roto III, I would have been relieved of my duties. The only way to get around this would be in a life or death mine-strike response scenario. I'm talking about casulties in burning vehicles.
Traversing a route in a Nyala is not a recognised method of clearance, but rather it is the Recce Sgt's eyes on the route that determines its level of safety. When completing the Engr Ground Recce to designate a route, he should not be driving on a route that he wouldn't open to other specific vehicles in the CF. There is no such thing as a route open to Nyala only.
The Nyala provides the Recce Sgt with added visibility and protection not afforded by any other vehicle in the CF. As the first person to traverse the route, he should be afforded some additional protection, regardless of the fact that he has determined that the route is safe enough to travel in the first place.
So all of this being said,
You are correct, it is by no means indestructable, but from a mine-strike standpoint its survivability is head and shoulders above anything else in the CF Inventory.
It is our attitude toward the task we complete, not the vehicle we drive that will be the biggest factor to determine the outcome. If someone is looking at a route thinking "This route may likely have TM-46's laid in it, but this Nyala i'm riding in will protect me up to 2 x TM-57's double stacked, so F**k it, i'm gonna go anyway", well they shouldn't be employed in that role period. Understanding how to properly conduct a mine risk assessment, and having the self-discipline/intelligence to stay off of routes that are not safe is key.
I'm gonna try and keep this as close to a "Coles Notes" reply as possible:
***You will not see the word PROVING in here as it is no longer a recognised term, and has taken me a long time to eradicate it from my vocabulary in order to appease the Pointy Head Lawyers who come up with the terms in our SOP's***
The Nyala is a small piece of the whole "Designation of ground" puzzle, in the same manner as IMSMA Data, Viper Binos or any other tool we use. Good Int prior to a task, thorough preparation, study of local habits on site and a solid Engineer Ground Recce is gonna be the biggest factor as to wether anyone is going to be hurt.... Regardless of what vehicle someone is using.
Now without discussing specific SOP's in their entirety and speaking from experience as the Recce Sgt on Athena Roto III, I can assure you that no roads or areas are travelled on until a whole slew of tasks and other "things" are completed. The days of blasting all over, designating roads by the seat of our pants like I did as a Recce Driver on Palladium are over. Here are some specifics to consider:
We do not use the Nyala to travel routes that are considered High Risk.... Period. Having a Nyala is not an excuse to drive on High Risk routes, nor is it acceptable to do so. Had I intentionally done so on Roto III, I would have been relieved of my duties. The only way to get around this would be in a life or death mine-strike response scenario. I'm talking about casulties in burning vehicles.
Traversing a route in a Nyala is not a recognised method of clearance, but rather it is the Recce Sgt's eyes on the route that determines its level of safety. When completing the Engr Ground Recce to designate a route, he should not be driving on a route that he wouldn't open to other specific vehicles in the CF. There is no such thing as a route open to Nyala only.
The Nyala provides the Recce Sgt with added visibility and protection not afforded by any other vehicle in the CF. As the first person to traverse the route, he should be afforded some additional protection, regardless of the fact that he has determined that the route is safe enough to travel in the first place.
So all of this being said,
You are correct, it is by no means indestructable, but from a mine-strike standpoint its survivability is head and shoulders above anything else in the CF Inventory.
It is our attitude toward the task we complete, not the vehicle we drive that will be the biggest factor to determine the outcome. If someone is looking at a route thinking "This route may likely have TM-46's laid in it, but this Nyala i'm riding in will protect me up to 2 x TM-57's double stacked, so F**k it, i'm gonna go anyway", well they shouldn't be employed in that role period. Understanding how to properly conduct a mine risk assessment, and having the self-discipline/intelligence to stay off of routes that are not safe is key.
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http://www.sfu.ca/casr/101-vehnyala.htm
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CFL said:
He ought to update his page as most of the comments on there are pure speculation and some are totally untrue. Nice pictures though.
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Yeah I mainly posted it for the pics.
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Well said armybuck041.
Was at a conference last week with a bunch from the Puzzle Palace on the Rideau. It was confirmed that some 15 to 20 Nyalas are being purchased as we speak. Intent being that they go out to Kandahar & the PRT. From the way they were talking - would appear that these would come out of South Africa sometime soon.
A bit like the M777 155mm guns being acquired, it would appear that the new CDS has convinced some of the bigshots on the hill that the 12 year acquisition process had to stop PDQ.
Chimo!
Was at a conference last week with a bunch from the Puzzle Palace on the Rideau. It was confirmed that some 15 to 20 Nyalas are being purchased as we speak. Intent being that they go out to Kandahar & the PRT. From the way they were talking - would appear that these would come out of South Africa sometime soon.
A bit like the M777 155mm guns being acquired, it would appear that the new CDS has convinced some of the bigshots on the hill that the 12 year acquisition process had to stop PDQ.
Chimo!
