Maritime Coastal Defence Vessels (MCDVs)

[Colin Parkinson]

Latest I have heard is the RCN does not want any helo capability for the CDC, so I suspect they will need to go back to the drawing board for that.

It makes sense to me, as helo ops add a huge amount of cost and complexity to a ship.

I can see the value of a Helipad, even if they do away with hangers and other related stuff.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

It shows a hull mounted sonar dome - located about a quarter of the length from the stem - which is where it should be and not in the bow like the US practice that gets the damn thing out of the water half the time in high sea states - but what use is it if you don't also have a tail?

P.S. Re: another post above: How many MCDV's left on the West coast? And why so many in Halifax in one shot?

 

[Czech_pivo]

RCN Flower Class ships were named for towns and cities, just like our CPFs and MCDVs. It would be pretty easy to come up with a few names to use for the CDC that have long use histories in the RCN.

I put forward for the lead ship - HMCS Come By Chance, followed by HMCS Balzac and HMCS Climax.
All names after Canadian towns

 

[PrairieFella]

I put forward for the lead ship - HMCS Come By Chance, followed by HMCS Balzac and HMCS Climax.
All names after Canadian towns

Last of the class being Dildo?

 

[Czech_pivo]

Last of the class being Dildo?

Last in, first out.

 

[Stoker]

It shows a hull mounted sonar dome - located about a quarter of the length from the stem - which is where it should be and not in the bow like the US practice that gets the damn thing out of the water half the time in high sea states - but what use is it if you don't also have a tail?

P.S. Re: another post above: How many MCDV's left on the West coast? And why so many in Halifax in one shot?

8 in the picture so 4 left on the WC. Probably 3 before long. They all will be coming East at some point.

 

[YZT580]

It's too bad we don't have a history of cool names haha. Warspite and Defiant sound so much better than Saguenay or Saskatoon haha

isn't there a town called Bastard? And I have always liked the sound of Quidi Vidi

 

[Cloud Cover]

Last in, first out.

Last to know, first to blow.

 

[Maxman1]

I can see the value of a Helipad, even if they do away with hangers and other related stuff.

Having the ability to embark helicopters would be a good future-proofing, especially if there's a hot war.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Needs to be UAV capable at least. The RN in the River Class Batch 2 added a Merlin Capable flight deck as they realized the usefulness. I think with our Northern operations some sort of heated shelter is required to store any naval air equipment and assets. Could really regret not doing that.
Is the AOPS recovering and storing helicopters yet? Are those initial problems and costs making the RCN helicopter shy?

And if course a lack of helicopters isn’t helping the decision.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Needs to be UAV capable at least. The RN in the River Class Batch 2 added a Merlin Capable flight deck as they realized the usefulness. I think with our Northern operations some sort of heated shelter is required to store any naval air equipment and assets. Could really regret not doing that.
Is the AOPS recovering and storing helicopters yet? Are those initial problems and costs making the RCN helicopter shy?

And if course a lack of helicopters isn’t helping the decision.

CCG uses telescoping hangers, but only for smaller helicopters.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Needs to be UAV capable at least. The RN in the River Class Batch 2 added a Merlin Capable flight deck as they realized the usefulness. I think with our Northern operations some sort of heated shelter is required to store any naval air equipment and assets. Could really regret not doing that.
Is the AOPS recovering and storing helicopters yet? Are those initial problems and costs making the RCN helicopter shy?

And if course a lack of helicopters isn’t helping the decision.

No helicopters for AOPs, yet. Lots of own goals.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

No helicopters for AOPs, yet. Lots of own goals.

This, but in gray

 

[SeaKingTacco]

This, but in gray

It is not that simple.

 

[NavyShooter]

It is not that simple.

You're right.

It needs to be gray with a CFR and Low-Vis roundels.

 

[Kirkhill]

Latest I have heard is the RCN does not want any helo capability for the CDC, so I suspect they will need to go back to the drawing board for that.

It makes sense to me, as helo ops add a huge amount of cost and complexity to a ship.

But do they want a UAS capability? And how much of that hangar adds/subtracts to the Multi-Mission Bay?

Any info on how this machine is doing?

Team V-BAT – A Proven Tactical UAS Solution for RCN ISTAR

HALIFAX, NS, Canada (Oct 4, 2022) – Team V-BAT announces the collaboration of three leading technical organizations each providing highly specialized and experienced capabilities to enable a very low-risk, non-developmental solution for the upcoming Royal Canadian Navy (RCN) Intelligence...

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[Kirkhill]

That makes a lot of sense, and neatly dovetail into the bomber comparison.

The first bombing raids caught people by surprise, but eventually Radar, improved GBAD, as well as improved fighters and night fighters equipped with radar made bombers less effective.

The big difference is that there are fewer people on the Motor Torpedo Boats and Fairey Swordfish.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

It is not that simple.

TC owned and operated leased to RCN for Domestic/North American ops, mostly in the arctic. It will be the 75% solution, still better than what you have. They be far more weather restricted for launch and recovery than the Cyclones would be.

 

[Underway]

Is there even a request out for these ships designs?

Edit: if the RCN desire for historical class names persists and they call these Flower Class, then what are some particularly nasty flowers found in Canada?

Water Hemlock?
Cannibas
Foxglove
Hogweed?

Poison Ivey, Stinging Nettle, Oleander, Morning Glory, Buttercup, Lily and many others are also toxic.

 

[Underway]

Latest I have heard is the RCN does not want any helo capability for the CDC, so I suspect they will need to go back to the drawing board for that.

It makes sense to me, as helo ops add a huge amount of cost and complexity to a ship.

Yah I think they are aiming too high. And honestly that's to much crap in that small of a ship with the expected small crew.

Really though they are just out there advertizing stuff. Whenever an RFI or RFP comes out we'll see what can actually be done.