May 2025: "Ottawa looks to off-load costly, seldom-used mobile hospitals bought for the pandemic"

[RangerRay]

Or there’s not enough prisons, court space, staff, judges and prosecutors to adequately prosecute and jail these people. That all costs money people would rather get back in tax breaks or put into healthcare spending.

 

[The Bread Guy]

The government can fandangle some loopholes where medical staff get paid privately through a 3rd party. The government can pay obscene amounts of money for these services which means the company can pay medical staff ridiculous amounts to attract and retain them.

Funny you should mention that - in some FNs, they're so short of staff, they have to do just that for both nurses AND doctors, even with the infrastructure they have in place now. Adding more buildings may not be the answer.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Or there’s not enough prisons, court space, staff, judges and prosecutors to adequately prosecute and jail these people. That all costs money people would rather get back in tax breaks or put into healthcare spending.

<sarcasm>What the hell are you, some Communist pro-criminal who hates Canada and doesn’t support law & order?</sarcasm>

 

[OldSolduer]

Meanwhile, in BC, they're pushing for police in the hospitals.

I know surgeons, as well as nurses and other staff, who've been assaulted by patients/ random interlopers with no consequences for the offenders.

Which is largely a 'leftie political problem', and if you say that in BC you risk alot ...

Calls for police in hospitals to combat violent assaults on healthcare workers

After a string of high-profile attacks in hospitals, including a patient strangling a nurse unconscious at Vancouver General Hospital, the opposition B.C. Conservatives are calling for police in some healthcare institutions.

www.ctvnews.ca

Winnipeg too.

 

[The Bread Guy]

.... someone could buy and set up these hospitals, hire some doctors, and charge the government obscene amounts of money to administer our guests health needs.

A further non-FN update: lookit how much Ontario's had to spend to top up staffing, even with tons of physical infrastructure already in place ....

Ontario hospitals spent over $9B on agency staff over 10 years, study finds

TORONTO - Ontario hospitals spent more than $9 billion on nurses and other staff from for-profit agencies in a 10-year period, a new study concludes.

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I could significantly reduce the doctor and nursing shortage in short order, but at the expense of the Unions and professional associations.

Let Doctors and Nurses come here from other countries and recognize their credentials immediately.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Don't worry nothing will happen out here

 

[GK .Dundas]

I could significantly reduce the doctor and nursing shortage in short order, but at the expense of the Unions and professional associations.

Let Doctors and Nurses come here from other countries and recognize their credentials immediately.

I give that concept a lifespan of how ever long it takes until some plastic surgeon working out of their garage does a breast implant by injecting liquid silicone into the tissue.
And you find the med school is based out of small office over a bar in say a seedy part of Manila or Rio de Janeiro or Split etc.

 

[lenaitch]

I could significantly reduce the doctor and nursing shortage in short order, but at the expense of the Unions and professional associations.

Let Doctors and Nurses come here from other countries and recognize their credentials immediately.

I suspect the level of education, standards of care and oversight in places like South Sudan or Uzbekistan might not be up to our expectations.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I suspect the level of education, standards of care and oversight in places like South Sudan or Uzbekistan might not be up to our expectations.

We had a "Case manager" for my daughter diabetes who was a spinal surgeon from India, he was excellent, and wickedly smart. He ended up going to the US where he could more easily challenge the medical board and practice there. He was way better than the Caucasian born and trained here doctor we initially had. I think you also have a higher than justified belief in how good our system is here, compared to other countries. Hell my French Canadian girlfriend could not teach her in BC as she was not "certified here" and after a lot of pushing they reluctantly certified her, but would not recognise her degree in special needs care from the University of Montreal. Professional Associations are gatekeepers that look after their own interests first. Don't get me ranting about the Law Society here either.

 

[GK .Dundas]

We had a "Case manager" for my daughter diabetes who was a spinal surgeon from India, he was excellent, and wickedly smart. He ended up going to the US where he could more easily challenge the medical board and practice there. He was way better than the Caucasian born and trained here doctor we initially had. I think you also have a higher than justified belief in how good our system is here, compared to other countries. Hell my French Canadian girlfriend could not teach her in BC as she was not "certified here" and after a lot of pushing they reluctantly certified her, but would not recognise her degree in special needs care from the University of Montreal. Professional Associations are gatekeepers that look after their own interests first. Don't get me ranting about the Law Society here either.

You bring up some excellent points and I'm tend to agree with you.
and I'd add to that the almost criminal willingness of those gatekeepers to ignore the questionable at the least to the insanely and obviously criminal behavior of their members
And at same time acting as barrier to competent immigrants.
In the early 90s I was working as Contract security at the Via Rail Maintenance Centre .
And we had one the top neurosurgeons of Columbia working in the building as a janitor.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

You bring up some excellent points and I'm tend to agree with you.
and I'd add to that the almost criminal willingness of those gatekeepers to ignore the questionable at the least to the insanely and obviously criminal behavior of their members
And at same time acting as barrier to competent immigrants.
In the early 90s I was working as Contract security at the Via Rail Maintenance Centre .
And we had one the top neurosurgeons of Columbia working in the building as a janitor.

Of course lowering those barriers, might cause labour shortages in the Taxi industry.....

 

[Blackadder1916]

And we had one the top neurosurgeons of Columbia working in the building as a janitor.

When it's the only job you can get?

When we were in Rwanda in '94, we were an employer of choice. There were locals who travelled from far outside the locality where we set up our medical facility in search of jobs. After we had been there a while and had pretty much a full slate of local engaged workers, there was one individual who showed up looking for work, specifically as an interpreter (the best paid of the jobs - and even that was pretty low waged). He was (or at least claimed to be - had some supporting documents) a lawyer, went to law school in Belgium, spoke English and French as well as the local tongue. Unfortunately for him, I already had the number of interpreters that I needed so I offered him the only thing I was looking for - someone to clean the bedpans. He took the job.

 

[Blackadder1916]

We had a "Case manager" for my daughter diabetes who was a spinal surgeon from India, he was excellent, and wickedly smart. He ended up going to the US where he could more easily challenge the medical board and practice there. He was way better than the Caucasian born and trained here doctor we initially had. I think you also have a higher than justified belief in how good our system is here, compared to other countries. Hell my French Canadian girlfriend could not teach her in BC as she was not "certified here" and after a lot of pushing they reluctantly certified her, but would not recognise her degree in special needs care from the University of Montreal. Professional Associations are gatekeepers that look after their own interests first. Don't get me ranting about the Law Society here either.

While there may be a high bar for foreign trained medical professionals to meet for credentialing, the percentage who received their training outside Canada is significant.

A profile of physicians in Canada | CIHI

The infographic presents a profile of physicians in Canada in 2023

www.cihi.ca

1. Supply: In 2023, there were 97,384 physicians in Canada, representing a 1.4% increase over 2022. There were 243 physicians per 100,000 population; 7% of physicians were located in rural areas and 93% were concentrated in urban areas. Overall, the average age of physicians was 49. 54% of practising physicians in Canada were male and 46% were female; 27% were trained internationally.
2. Payments: In 2022–2023, total gross clinical payments to physicians increased 5.3% over the previous year to $32.5 billion. Fee-for-service payments accounted for 71% of gross clinical payments, and alternative payments accounted for 29%. In 2022–2023, the average gross clinical payment per physician was $369,000. The average payment to family medicine physicians was $308,000, the average payment to medical specialists was $394,000 and the average payment to surgical specialists was $531,000.
3. Family medicine profile: In 2023, 50% of family medicine physicians were male and 50% were female. The average age of male family medicine physicians was 52, while the average age of female family medicine physicians was 47. 31% of family medicine physicians were trained internationally.
4. Medical specialists profile: In 2023, 57% of medical specialists were male and 43% were female. The average age of male medical specialists was 51, while the average age of female medical specialists was 46. 25% of medical specialists were trained internationally.
5. Surgical specialists profile: In 2023, 66% of surgical specialists were male and 34% were female. The average age of male surgical specialists was 53, while the average age of female surgical specialists was 45. 16% of surgical specialists were trained internationally.

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But that doesn't mean it's an easy go for everyone.

Why do internationally trained doctors face barriers working in Canada?

Canada is facing a critical doctor shortage, yet hundreds of internationally trained physicians struggle to get licensed. Discover the challenges foreign-trained doctors face, the barriers to medical practice in Canada, and what needs to change. Read more!

www.cma.ca

• According to RBC, immigrants with a degree in medicine are six times more likely to work in jobs that do not use their training, particularly if they received their training outside of Canada.

 

[lenaitch]

We had a "Case manager" for my daughter diabetes who was a spinal surgeon from India, he was excellent, and wickedly smart. He ended up going to the US where he could more easily challenge the medical board and practice there. He was way better than the Caucasian born and trained here doctor we initially had. I think you also have a higher than justified belief in how good our system is here, compared to other countries. Hell my French Canadian girlfriend could not teach her in BC as she was not "certified here" and after a lot of pushing they reluctantly certified her, but would not recognise her degree in special needs care from the University of Montreal. Professional Associations are gatekeepers that look after their own interests first. Don't get me ranting about the Law Society here either.

No doubt other countries have standards that are least as good as ours, perhaps better, and I agree that regulatory bodies are, in many cases, protecting their turf and the educational institutions that spawned them, but I was responding to a statement that apparently simply wanted to throw open the gates. Surely it would be money well spent for our various ministries to come up with a list of recognized accreditation that would facilitate at least fast tracking.

As a post-retirement gig, I did background investigations for gaming licences. I lost track of the number of foreign doctors, engineers and other professionals who were simply trying to put bread on their tables In some cases, fluency/literacy in one of our official languages would be an issue.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

It is not that difficult to compile lists of established universities around the world you can accept credentials from. But that will bite into our universities money making ventures and they will fight tooth and nail against it.

 

[OldSolduer]

It is not that difficult to compile lists of established universities around the world you can accept credentials from. But that will bite into our universities money making ventures and they will fight tooth and nail against it.

There you have it. Money making.

Often what starts out as a good intention thing often morphs into money making over the original intent

 

[quadrapiper]

No doubt other countries have standards that are least as good as ours, perhaps better, and I agree that regulatory bodies are, in many cases, protecting their turf and the educational institutions that spawned them, but I was responding to a statement that apparently simply wanted to throw open the gates. Surely it would be money well spent for our various ministries to come up with a list of recognized accreditation that would facilitate at least fast tracking.

Keeping the right stakeholders out has some value.

 

[CBH99]

Winnipeg too.

In Alberta, we use a combination of private security guards + provincial peace officers for hospital security.

The security company allows their personnel to go hands on with individuals as part of their duties (usually a big no no for a lot of security companies) and they flesh out most of the healthcare security positions.

Then there is a smaller cadre of 'protective services peace officers' at select sites who can lay the proper informations, take people into custody, etc.


None of them are authorized to be armed with a firearm, but they do have the other standard LE stuff. (Handcuffs, baton, duty belt, body armour, etc)

I don't know if the way we do hospital security here is better or worse than in other provinces. I honestly have never thought of it before.

Let Doctors and Nurses come here from other countries and recognize their credentials immediately.

I don't like the gatekeeper system we currently have, but I can't help but think the above MIGHT not be the solution we think it is...

 

[mariomike]

Meanwhile, in BC, they're pushing for police in the hospitals.

Winnipeg too.

In Alberta, we use a combination of private security guards + provincial peace officers for hospital security.

The security company allows their personnel to go hands on with individuals as part of their duties (usually a big no no for a lot of security companies) and they flesh out most of the healthcare security positions.

Then there is a smaller cadre of 'protective services peace officers' at select sites who can lay the proper informations, take people into custody, etc.


None of them are authorized to be armed with a firearm, but they do have the other standard LE stuff. (Handcuffs, baton, duty belt, body armour, etc)

I don't know if the way we do hospital security here is better or worse than in other provinces. I honestly have never thought of it before.




I don't like the gatekeeper system we currently have, but I can't help but think the above MIGHT not be the solution we think it is...

After Transfer of Care ( TOC ), hospital security took over. If required.

What I have noticed in recent years, as a visitor, is the dramatic increase in the number of hospital security guards.

Also, looking younger and stronger than the hospital security guards of yesteryear.