Meet the GM Defense ISV Army Truck
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Well, that car's toast.
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Given that the ISV is a US program of record that is in full rate production for the US Army we must be be getting ours ( as a UOR) due to the US Army allowing us to go to the front of their line.
Nice to have allies, whose R&D and industry capacity allow us to have UORs as an option.
Nice to have allies, whose R&D and industry capacity allow us to have UORs as an option.
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Any chance that these ISV variants are being considered?
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GM Defense announces collaboration with Mistral and UVision to offer ISV armed with Hero-120 loitering munitions - European Security & Defence
GM Defense has entered into a strategic collaboration with Mistral and UVision to offer an ISV armed with Hero-120 loitering munitions.
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No.
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Meanwhile the Russian ISV (first couple of minutes of the video)
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And something from Matsimus. He obviously has learned lessons from soldiering in Canadian weather.
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Re the above:
Iltis that killed RCR via IED in Afghanistan.
Waincon when Gen Vernon ordered all canvas off the vehicles.
Iltis that killed RCR via IED in Afghanistan.
Waincon when Gen Vernon ordered all canvas off the vehicles.
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GM Defence Heavy ISV
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I wonder how it stacks up against the HUMV?
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What does that bring to us that a our own wholly domestic Roshel products does not bring?
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On the other hand if there is any truth to the rumour that BAE Hagglunds is getting into bed with Roshel to produce Bvs for the DAME project then I would let GM supply us hundreds/thousands of pickups from an Oshawa line.
GM should be able to deliver scale. Roshel is essentially a custom shop.
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True for now, but with them now building off of both Ford and dodge chassis, they can "custom shop" at scale faster than others can produce 100% in house. Their latest offering is now at level 3 blast protection, not level 2B, which indicates they are learning from what's happening in Ukraine. Parts would also likely be easy to get. Since LUV has been split in 2, I could see GM getting through milcot replacement while Rochel replaces the G wagon with a senator varient
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i think i read on one of Noah's twitters that Roshel has actually partnered up with the ST Bronco
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So
- Roshel ST Bronco
- BAE Hagglunds BvS10 Viking/Beowulf
- UTV International Voyager D12 Carrier
Voyager D12 Carrier
The Voyager D12 Personnel Carrier is an amphibious, articulated, hybrid-electric offroad transport vehicle designed to transport 12 people or equipment in rugged terrains.
UTV is out of Mount Royal QC.
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Different tack -
The ISV is effectively a Colorado.
So -
Colorado MSRP, 4x4, 4-door, stripped down standard - costs $46,433 in my neck of the woods apparently.
What happens if the CAF budget allowed for a standard 4x4, Colorado or similar, for every 4 members.
Basis Planning unit - 4 personnel with uniforms and all-season kit, personal weapons, nav/comms and 1x pickup truck to be replaced every 5 years.
Regardless of element or tasking.
$46,000/4 = $11,500 per person
$11,500/5 = $2,300 per person per year vehicle allowance.
Every team then is guaranteed that they will have their kit, their tools and means of navigation and communication and be able to react to some degree or other.
When the team and their management discovers their limitations THEN they can start planning for specialty vehicles (larger trucks, ATVs, armoured vehicles, boats etc).
71,500 Regs and 30,000 Reservists = 101,500 Authorized
Cost of $2.300 budget allowance = 101,500 x 2,300 = $233,450,000 per year
If the team is authorized a more expensive vehicle (assuming that it available for administrative tasks) then the budget could be adjusted accordingly.
And every armoury and base would have a common fleet and everybody qualified to drive.
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Fleet size = 101,500/4 = 25,375 total vehicles.
Annual buy = 25,375/5 = 5,075 vehicles per year
The ISV is effectively a Colorado.
So -
Colorado MSRP, 4x4, 4-door, stripped down standard - costs $46,433 in my neck of the woods apparently.
What happens if the CAF budget allowed for a standard 4x4, Colorado or similar, for every 4 members.
Basis Planning unit - 4 personnel with uniforms and all-season kit, personal weapons, nav/comms and 1x pickup truck to be replaced every 5 years.
Regardless of element or tasking.
$46,000/4 = $11,500 per person
$11,500/5 = $2,300 per person per year vehicle allowance.
Every team then is guaranteed that they will have their kit, their tools and means of navigation and communication and be able to react to some degree or other.
When the team and their management discovers their limitations THEN they can start planning for specialty vehicles (larger trucks, ATVs, armoured vehicles, boats etc).
71,500 Regs and 30,000 Reservists = 101,500 Authorized
Cost of $2.300 budget allowance = 101,500 x 2,300 = $233,450,000 per year
If the team is authorized a more expensive vehicle (assuming that it available for administrative tasks) then the budget could be adjusted accordingly.
And every armoury and base would have a common fleet and everybody qualified to drive.
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Fleet size = 101,500/4 = 25,375 total vehicles.
Annual buy = 25,375/5 = 5,075 vehicles per year
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85% commercial off-the-shelf parts, from the company that makes the commercial off-the-shelf parts.
I'm a fan of supporting local, and GM also makes things in Canada. I also think the Senator is a step up size wise compared to the ISV-H, so they aren't really direct competitors.
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You are wishing away a lot of the cost. It has been a little while since I looked it up but a Harris radio (the kind of thing we are moving to and is pretty wide spread through NATO) costs about $40,000. Doubling the price of your build. On top of that you need to convert the electronic system to 24V to power the radio, buy amps for the radios, install a brand new wiring harness to power everything/attach the radio to the external antenna, buy/mount AMUs and buy headsets/speakers. So, you are probably close to $100,000 per truck.
Plus, if we are buying anything from GM, especially for that task, it will probably be the LUV that has doors. It is based of a Silverado, raising the price further.
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Jesus mate. I'm not looking for the full blown Best Buy entertainment system.
I just want a truck to run around in.
How much is the PRR that you issue to ground pounders?
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And as for doors - I want the beast that comes off the line with doors. I'm not paying extra to have you take the doors off so that I can freeze my jewels in January.
Transport. With doors. And a heater.
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