Muslim Call to Prayer in Regina (split from Liberal Gov't 2025 - ???)

[daftandbarmy]

If that's what you need, you can try. I have no problem with overt displays of Christianity or Judaism. Their foundations are moderate; their displays are unostentatious; their immoderate fringe fundamentalists are very quiet and quite obviously just want to be left alone. Their mainstream beliefs are almost indistinguishable now from core principles of secular liberalism. They are not trying to import Rome or Jerusalem or any part of Europe or anywhere else to Canada and have not been doing so for decades. I have no interest in importing the cultural and religious/political quiffs of Saudi Arabia or Iran, and will continue to advocate for minimizing their influence here without burning down our own heritage because of some made-up idea that being liberal 99% of the time isn't good enough.

'Moderate'... right....

Texas’ Ten Commandments law may be headed to the U.S. Supreme Court after an appellate court ruled it does not violate church-state separation under the U.S. Constitution.

A majority of the U.S. Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans cleared the way for the state to install commandments displays in public school classrooms after determining Senate Bill 10 has none of the characteristics of a government endorsement of religion.

“SB-10 looks nothing like a historical religious establishment. It does not tell churches or synagogues or mosques what to believe or how to worship or whom to employ as priests, rabbis or imams,” according to the 110-page opinion. “It punishes no one who rejects the Ten Commandments, no matter the reason. It levies no taxes to support any clergy. It does not co-opt churches to perform civic functions.”

Texas Ten Commandments law likely headed to US Supreme Court – Baptist News Global

Texas’ Ten Commandments law may be headed to the Supreme Court after an appellate court ruled it does not violate church-state separation.

baptistnews.com

 

[YZT580]

Shocking to see how many on here are totally cool with bringing that into Canada.

until you have lived with it. Riyadh has built a mosque adjacent to every foreign compound in the city. Each one must use 500 watt amplifiers to announce the call to prayer. Now go and visit a wealthier Muslim district. They use 25 watt amps. It is a form of brainwashing. With few exceptions, western bells have become time pieces and are not primarily calls to worship although since services generally start on the hour, they could be construed as such but they are no different then the bells on Big Ben for example and are definitely not 'in your face'. There is a huge difference between a Muslim chant calling the faithful in Arabic to gather together and 11 chimes for 11 o'clock played by a single note. They are also not as loud or as obtrusive.

 

[Brad Sallows]

'Moderate'... right....

The context is "Canada", not "USA". The USA has a distinctive sizeable Christian minority (Catholic and Protestant) with a vocal and politically powerful sub-minority which is often characterized as "evangelical". But that minority and sub-minority are pretty closely aligned with the constitution. They are certainly right of the median US conservative, but so is the constitution, which is a very liberal document - I characterize it as more liberal than our own constitutional structure. The worry about those kinds of Americans immigrating to Canada is that by the measures which matter most to me they'd make this country a little bit more liberal, not less.

 

[Altair]

Might as well rename the thread to the official Islamophobia thread.

 

[dapaterson]

'Moderate'... right....

Texas’ Ten Commandments law may be headed to the U.S. Supreme Court after an appellate court ruled it does not violate church-state separation under the U.S. Constitution.

A majority of the U.S. Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans cleared the way for the state to install commandments displays in public school classrooms after determining Senate Bill 10 has none of the characteristics of a government endorsement of religion.

“SB-10 looks nothing like a historical religious establishment. It does not tell churches or synagogues or mosques what to believe or how to worship or whom to employ as priests, rabbis or imams,” according to the 110-page opinion. “It punishes no one who rejects the Ten Commandments, no matter the reason. It levies no taxes to support any clergy. It does not co-opt churches to perform civic functions.”

Texas Ten Commandments law likely headed to US Supreme Court – Baptist News Global

Texas’ Ten Commandments law may be headed to the Supreme Court after an appellate court ruled it does not violate church-state separation.

baptistnews.com

Good. So the Church of Satan can install statues of Baphomet on public schools then.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Blasphemy is a victimless crime

In this lifetime

 

[Brad Sallows]

Might as well rename the thread to the official Islamophobia thread.

Ah, yes. I'm also Fascistophobic and Marxophobic and Communistophobic, and generally Illiberalophobic.

Ideas, all. Repugnant to varying degrees, all. The question isn't why a reasonable person would dislike them, but why anyone would try to put lipstick on pigs.

 

[Altair]

Ah, yes. I'm also Fascistophobic and Marxophobic and Communistophobic, and generally Illiberalophobic.

You said it. I didn't say it.

Ideas, all. Repugnant to varying degrees, all. The question isn't why a reasonable person would dislike them, but why anyone would try to put lipstick on pigs.

Muslims live, work, contribute to their communities, pay taxes, vote, work in healthcare, work in construction, invest in the economy, raise their kids, serve in the military, are elected as MPs, are cabinet ministers, and yes, pray and worship, every day, with little to no issues as a whole.

Muslims on a whole, are no different than any other Canadian. There have not been massive integration issues regarding muslims in Canada as we see in the UK or France.

Yet here you are, conflating the worse of the worse in terms of radical islam with the everyday Canadian. If they want to pray and have calls to prayer the way christians ring their bells, whatever. It doesn't make us Riyadh. Either ban all religious buildings from making noise, or allow all of them to.

To pick favorites is....well, you said it best.

 

[Brad Sallows]

You said it. I didn't say it.

I expect every discussion like this to eventually start sliding into black-guarding and guilt-by-association attacks and find it's best to meet it head-on and be clear that there will not be apologies and concessions to struggle sessions for things that require neither. This is a discussion of fundamental social and political ideas, not race, and people will sometimes haul out the race card (race being a proxy for ethnicity and culture depending on how the objector is trying to frame objections) to try and turn it into a pig-wrestle. If no-one wants to take it that way, that's great. Saves time. So far, so good.

Muslims live, work, contribute to their communities, pay taxes, vote, work in healthcare, work in construction, invest in the economy, raise their kids, serve in the military, are elected as MPs, are cabinet ministers, and yes, pray and worship, every day, with little to no issues as a whole.

They do all these things, privately and publicly, and that is about where things should stay.

Muslims on a whole, are no different than any other Canadian. There have not been massive integration issues regarding muslims in Canada as we see in the UK or France.

There have not, and why is that? People are coming to Canada and the UK and France from the same places. The simple explanations : filtering by immigration policy, low mass, firm expectations. Again, big problems are best solved by stifling them before they can developed. Choose our sources, spread the intakes widely, and make it clear there is one direction for assimilation. Overwhelmingly, "no" to foreign cultural practices that require accommodations in the other direction.

Yet here you are, conflating the worse of the worse in terms of radical islam with the everyday Canadian.

No, I'm specifically pinning the worst aspects of Islam on people who obviously exist. They emigrate from the heart of Islam and start to push for Islamic dominance in their new homes. They do what humans do: start very small, and just keep pushing wherever they can. So draw a bright line.