Naval Capabilities Needed.

[Kirkhill]

Unfortunately when we become a niche navy we lose capability and interest. I for one  as well as many others would pronbably leave if all we did was inshore. ....

That seems like a reasonable position - so what portion of your career would you reckon should be allocated to domestic duties and what portion to expeditionary duties?

6 months on, 6 months off?  3 Years domestic, 1 Year Expeditionary?  3 Years Expeditionary, 1 Year domestic?  How much time would you be willing to invest in training and supporting the Naval Reserve?

Jus' bein' cheeky as usual 

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

Well I am lazy so I am not going to do the math...what it boils down to is the mission required at the time. I do guarantee though, if we structure our Navy on inshore OPS you will have some politico it Ottawa figure that if we are not doing blue water then why do we need frigates and destroyers when OPVs and corvettes will do the trick, if we don't have frigates and destroyers then we really do not need AORs (JSS) or that matter an LHA/LPD. We could ask the USN to take over escort of a LPD but sometimes their own national interests would come first. See where I am  going?

 

[cameron]

I for one, am also totally against turning what is still (for now) one of the world's best blue water navies into a brown water patrol force.

 

[Cdn Blackshirt]

I for one, am also totally against turning what is still (for now) one of the world's best blue water navies into a brown water patrol force.

I don't think anyone here has advocated that....


Matthew.  ???

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

Reply#57 Matthew, comes close to advocating otherwise Matthew

 

[Kirkhill]

Well I am lazy so I am not going to do the math...what it boils down to is the mission required at the time. I do guarantee though, if we structure our Navy on inshore OPS you will have some politico it Ottawa figure that if we are not doing blue water then why do we need frigates and destroyers when OPVs and corvettes will do the trick, if we don't have frigates and destroyers then we really do not need AORs (JSS) or that matter an LHA/LPD. We could ask the USN to take over escort of a LPD but sometimes their own national interests would come first. See where I am  going?

I do see where you are going but like Matthew said "I don't think anyone here has advocated" cameron's brown water patrol force as a replacement for the blue water navy.  The thing is we HAVE inshore waters to patrol, we HAVE a lot of internal brown waters and our enemies operate in inshore and brown waters overseas.  

The army is having to adjust to the threat in uncomfortable fashions (even though they are keeping the tanks they won't be used in the same fashion that they were, nor in the numbers anticipated).

Do you see any possibility that the Navy would find acceptable conducting inshore and brown water operations, both domestically and overseas, if it meant reducing (not eliminating) blue water operations?

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

Its still a lot of capability just to give up like that...in the time where the O Boats were decommissioned til the Victorias started to sail we lostso much in training. Both surface and subsurface, and we are still feeling the effects as we have not got back what we lost. I would rather add a brown/green water capoability on then go through the crap we are going through now again. Its no half measures, it will either be an inshore constabulary navy(coast guard) or a true blue water navy with inshore assets. Walk a mile in my shoes and you would see that.
Kirkhill we cannot reduce much more, we are at the bare minimum as it is!

 

[Cdn Blackshirt]

Reply#57 Matthew, comes close to advocating otherwise Matthew

I stand corrected.... 

 

[Kirkhill]

Walk a mile in my shoes and you would see that.
Kirkhill we cannot reduce much more, we are at the bare minimum as it is!

Heard Ex-D. Going silent -- until the next time.

 

[cameron]

I think Ex-Dragoon's second option is the best way to go.  A true blue water navy with inshore assets.  The navy needs to be properly balanced to credibly meet threats in whatever form they come.