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Naval Deployment questions

@Halifax Tar @Oldgateboatdriver oh yea I would never expect a Coxn to do that. I've never had a Coxn come up to bridge except to talk to the CO, nor do I think any of them would do that.

I did have an experience similar to this once. We were doing a MOBEX so I went to the boat deck (diver), and when it was clear I wasn't needed I started up the ladder. Suddenly I hear the Coxn's raspy French voice from the boat deck, "Sir, come here please."..."Yes, Coxn?"..."Sir, you need a haircut" (with a scowling unapproving look). In my head I rolled my eyes said "Now is not the fucking time Coxn!!", but what I actually said was, of course, "Yes, Coxn" then quickly turned around and head back up the ladder.
 
26 years on ships in the Navy, and the Cox'n was always a welcome guest on the bridge, but never can I recall any of them exerting any form of command or directional influence while there (not directly anyhow.)

The CO owns his bridge (and his/her ship.) The OOW is granted Charge of the ship and controls the ship based on the CO's written orders during their watch (4 hrs) on the bridge. If something happens outside of the parameters of the OOW's written instructions, he contacts the CO at any time (day/night) for clarity and direction.

When not on the bridge, that NWO is involved in training, learning, leading.

If the NWO is involved in the OPS world rather than the bridge watchkeeping roles, then they have a more specialized war-fighting role - ASW Controller, Surface Weapons Controller, Ops Room Officer, etc. There is still a hierarchy in the OPS room, and they report up to the OOW on the bridge because that's who has Charge of the ship.

There are some good explanations up-thread from this which give more detail I think though.

NS
 
Well this be sounding like a job I'll like, or I hope anyways. Is there anything I can read that's good information before I go onto QL3? This seems like a job where the more stuff you know, the better. I'm just kind of fearful because what if I do something wrong and something bad happens? But I assume that I think this because the longest course I take is 6 weeks QL3, and I know NWO trades training takes a long time, so I think you'll know what's going on. I also assume (and hope) that the people who do NWO training are good, and not get people who are put into training as punishment, but I don't really know.

All I know there is a book called COLREG and you have to know it
 
Well this be sounding like a job I'll like, or I hope anyways. Is there anything I can read that's good information before I go onto QL3? This seems like a job where the more stuff you know, the better. I'm just kind of fearful because what if I do something wrong and something bad happens? But I assume that I think this because the longest course I take is 6 weeks QL3, and I know NWO trades training takes a long time, so I think you'll know what's going on. I also assume (and hope) that the people who do NWO training are good, and not get people who are put into training as punishment, but I don't really know.

All I know there is a book called COLREG and you have to know it

Watch Master and Commander endlessly. And Read nothing but the Horatio Hornblower series.

And remember that as an NWO your are now in the linage of Nelson. Everything in your life should be framed around one question WWND ? What Would Nelson do ?
 
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Watch Master and Commander endlessly. And Read nothing but the Horatio Hornblower series.

And remember that as an NWO your are no in the linage of Nelson. Everything in your life should be framed around one question WWND ? What Would Nelson do ?
Also, I don't know about this one, because my fiancé would not be happy if I cheat on her...
 
Well this be sounding like a job I'll like, or I hope anyways. Is there anything I can read that's good information before I go onto QL3? This seems like a job where the more stuff you know, the better. I'm just kind of fearful because what if I do something wrong and something bad happens? But I assume that I think this because the longest course I take is 6 weeks QL3, and I know NWO trades training takes a long time, so I think you'll know what's going on. I also assume (and hope) that the people who do NWO training are good, and not get people who are put into training as punishment, but I don't really know.

All I know there is a book called COLREG and you have to know it
Officer courses aren't referred to be "QL#". In fact neither are NCM courses anymore, they are referred to as "RQ" course (Rank Qualification, ie RQ-S1-SonarOP). You'll firs bring NETPO, followes by NWO Basic (the former NWO 2 and NWO 3 courses). To prepare for this, you absolutely can read the COLREGS. You can get a copy from just about anywhere, but I recommend the electronic "Canadian version" from the Department of Justice website. I recommend skipping reading the "Canadian Modifications" for now (they are long and convoluted) and just read the international regulations contained therein. Also, work on your math. You do a lot of math as a jr NWO. Not complicated math, just basic arithmetic, but you have to be able to do it fast and in your head (ie you need to know quickly what the "speed required" is if your destination is 45 miles away and you have 3 hrs to get there, or you may need to quickly know that if a point of land is 10 miles away and the point of land is 15 degrees on your bow that you will pass it by approximately 2.5 miles).
 
This is hilarious that you put it this way, because sometimes it is EXACTLY like this. When you are on the bridge and standing watch, you are responsible for a litany of things (we had to memorize that list), but some of the key ones are safely 'navigating' the ship, preparing the ship for upcoming events, and executing your part in those events.

Focusing on just the first one, if you are sailing somewhere busy with lots of traffic, like the North Sea or the Persian Gulf (southern part), you will be on your toes the entire watch, calling the Captain a lot, and safely manoeuvring the ship to avoid close-contact situations with other vessels. If, however, your are just off the coast of Halifax (where there is almost zero traffic), its 4am, and you are doing nothing but meandering back and forth in a patrol box until morning, then it gets EXTREMELY boring. The last hour before watch turn-over is the worst; I would regularly just walk circles around the bridge singing "Show me the way to go home" to stay awake.

For the other two, it depends on what the ship is doing. Again, if you are off the coast of Halifax doing engineering trials, then you are pretty much just driving in a straight line changing engineer speeds and engine configurations for 4hrs, so not very busy. However, if you are in the Arabian sea and standing the forenoon watch (730-1130), and lets say you've got to launch the helo at 0830 with a planned recovery and re-launch at 1100, you've got planned maintenance that requires personnel to go aloft on the mast, you've got a rendezvous with an Australian destroyer at 1000 where you will be doing a boat transfer of people between the two of you, oh and there is a gunnery exercise scheduled with that destroyer that will take place on the next watch at 1200, plus there are other contacts around that you need to avoid, then you will be on your toes the whole watch.

Other things that could take up time/mental capacity on your watch include getting ready for and executing a RAS, conducting warfare exercises, boarding ops (real or exercise), streaming/recovering your towed array, man-overboard exercises, small arms shoots, engineering drills, manoevreing exercises, getting ready for an executing a navigation passage... etc



As a junior NWO, yea, it will mainly be the "watch on deck" (WOD) that works directly for you. They've reduced the mandatory number of people that make-up the WOD over the past few years, but if you stood-up a completely full bridge team, that would be a team of bosuns and Navcomms consisting of the Petty Officer of the Watch (POOW), Helmsmen, Quartermaster/Throttleman, Starboard Lookout, Bosn's Mate, Port Lookout, and two NavComms. Right now I believe they've reduced it to 1 x Bosnmate who double as a Port Lookout, a Helmsmen, a Starboard Lookout who double as a throttleman, the POOW, and zero Navcomms.

Outside of the bridge, I mean, you'll interact with NCMs all the time, but they won't work with/for you. The one exception would be when you are given the role as "baby divisional officer" and be tasked to support one of the Lt(N) directors in their divisional/administrative duties. You have no authority over those NCMs, but you may be tasked to support them in various ways.
One of the best times to interact with NCMs is during any sort of damage control station. Want to demonstrate some deck plate leadership? Get to the section base quickly and start getting bunker gear on. Learn the firefighting techniques cold and lead the attack team. Don't be the guy that cowers in the corner and avoids the hard shit.

Same thing with events like storing ship, landing garbage, cleaning, deck force, etc. Get out and do some manual labour. Dont hide in your cabin avoiding the work.

Sit? What is this word you use? I don't recognize it. You don't "sit" while on watch on the bridge.... (except when it's 3am off the coast of Halifax and you have a highly competent "2nd Officer of the Watch" that you trust working for you and you take a seat in the XO's chair and doze off for a half-hour....)

Also, if you are going to be the Officer of the Watch, you can't ever "shit your pants", at least not outwardly. You have to be the constant bedrock of poise and authority on the bridge. There's a saying: if someone goes to the bridge and within 30 seconds doesn't know who the OOW is, then the OOW isn't carrying him/herself properly (or something like that). The unofficial moto of the NWO trades is "fake it 'til you make it", and that includes your confidence; even if you don't have it yet, you have to act like you do. When you "have the watch", even as a 23 year old SLt, the chain of command for the ENTIRE ship goes: CO->XO->OOW (and the XO part is a bit of a technicality). You are the one keeping all 250 people aboard safe at night.
You can't shit your pants.... but you can definitely piss off the bridge wing!
 
If you want to travel IMHO its the best option.
The travel is great, way better than than the Army. The switch I made was a great way to end my career 😁. I never liked the Navy's culture that much but that was probably partially shaped by my decade of Infantry tomfoolery.
 
One of the best times to interact with NCMs is during any sort of damage control station. Want to demonstrate some deck plate leadership? Get to the section base quickly and start getting bunker gear on. Learn the firefighting techniques cold and lead the attack team. Don't be the guy that cowers in the corner and avoids the hard shit.

I was IC Section Base 2 (After Section Base) for 3 years.

I can tell you a cowering officer will quickly get tasked.

Our best most gung-ho guy was our LegAd... Dude was always first, quickly dressed and had a super positive attitude.
 
I was IC Section Base 2 (After Section Base) for 3 years.

I can tell you a cowering officer will quickly get tasked.

Our best most gung-ho guy was our LegAd... Dude was always first, quickly dressed and had a super positive attitude.
Yah I only said that because cowards... and there are a lot of them... piss me off 🤬

It's unbecoming of an Officer!
 
Officer courses aren't referred to be "QL#". In fact neither are NCM courses anymore, they are referred to as "RQ" course (Rank Qualification, ie RQ-S1-SonarOP). You'll firs bring NETPO, followes by NWO Basic (the former NWO 2 and NWO 3 courses). To prepare for this, you absolutely can read the COLREGS. You can get a copy from just about anywhere, but I recommend the electronic "Canadian version" from the Department of Justice website. I recommend skipping reading the "Canadian Modifications" for now (they are long and convoluted) and just read the international regulations contained therein. Also, work on your math. You do a lot of math as a jr NWO. Not complicated math, just basic arithmetic, but you have to be able to do it fast and in your head (ie you need to know quickly what the "speed required" is if your destination is 45 miles away and you have 3 hrs to get there, or you may need to quickly know that if a point of land is 10 miles away and the point of land is 15 degrees on your bow that you will pass it by approximately 2.5 miles).
Learn fractions! And simple multiplication.

Also, the Navy uses it's own system of measurements. So all that garbage you learned in school with regard to the metric system is useless 😀

Nautical Miles = Approx 2000 yards or 10 cables
Cables = Approx 200 yards = 1 cable
Yards
Feet

Shackle = 1 length of anchor chain = Approx 90 feet

I say approx because everything in the Navy is an approximation 😄. Which brings me to my next favorite word: "Interpolation"

Interpolation = estimates unknown values that fall between two or more known data points, filling in the blanks.

A lot of people get hung up on trying to be extremely precise and end up losing the plot trying to find the perfect solution to something. 99% percent of the time the 70% percent solution early is better than the 100% solution late. "Is it 10 cables or 8 cables you're going to be displaced by the vessel you're passing?" Who knows and who actually gives a flying #$%^ 🤣.

One of the downsides of learning to drive a ship in a place like Canada is everyone is orderly and follows the rules. You'll then go to third world shitholes and do transits in to lovely places like Jakarta where their are a bazillion ships and vessels and nobody gives a rats ass about the rules. Just drive with your eyes and don't crash in to anything!
 
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