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Navy Badges on Army / Air Force DEUs

It always astounds how much people don't understand the structure of the CAF and how we administratively and functionally work.

Considering the Navy is the number one service for participation medals, just doing their jobs on ship it is a pot calling the kettle black.

Can you show me which of my medals is a participation medal in your eyes ? I will DM you a picture of my set, be careful what you pick.
 
Isn’t the US Military rack basically their UER for all to see?
To a certain extent yes. Also, it's important to remember that not all of those ribbons have a corresponding medal. The US awards ribbons for certain things.
 
To a certain extent yes. Also, it's important to remember that not all of those ribbons have a corresponding medal. The US awards ribbons for certain things.
They also have full on medals with no hard criteria, allowing commanders to award them for almost anything, like the Achievement Medal and Commondation Medal.



Some medals, including the Bronze Star, are even a gimme on some tours.
 
Can you show me which of my medals is a participation medal in your eyes ? I will DM you a picture of my set, be careful what you pick.
I have to agree here. While I might jokingly refer to one or more of my medals with funny little nicknames like "my dishwashing medal" and the like, that in no way negates the time I had to spend away from my family in order to qualify for said medal.

Also, while it might seem like some people qualified for medals such as the Jubilee medals or the KCIII Coronation medal by knowing someone, there were a fair few that received them for relevant things. For example, one of my buddies, who was our Baby Doc (Med Tech) on my ship during the COVID pandemic, had received CoC approval to work with EHS (Nova Scotia's Paramedic Services) IOT augment the medical responses within the province during the pandemic. Because of his efforts, he was awarded the Queen's Platinum Jubilee Medal. I get a little disappointed when good people like him get lumped into the "It's who you know" category.

That said, I would never dare to compare Naval deployments to the other elements' deployments. We have all experienced our own deployments, and they have affected us in their own ways.
 
I have to agree here. While I might jokingly refer to one or more of my medals with funny little nicknames like "my dishwashing medal" and the like, that in no way negates the time I had to spend away from my family in order to qualify for said medal.

Also, while it might seem like some people qualified for medals such as the Jubilee medals or the KCIII Coronation medal by knowing someone, there were a fair few that received them for relevant things. For example, one of my buddies, who was our Baby Doc (Med Tech) on my ship during the COVID pandemic, had received CoC approval to work with EHS (Nova Scotia's Paramedic Services) IOT augment the medical responses within the province during the pandemic. Because of his efforts, he was awarded the Queen's Platinum Jubilee Medal. I get a little disappointed when good people like him get lumped into the "It's who you know" category.

That said, I would never dare to compare Naval deployments to the other elements' deployments. We have all experienced our own deployments, and they have affected us in their own ways.

Whenever I read a post about the comparative value of medals I am reminded of an encounter I had over thirty years ago and of which I posted an account on these means twenty years ago. I've repeated it a couple of times over the years and, since it's been a few years since, I'll repost it again here.

One of my lasting memories of someone talking about the decorations and medals that he was wearing occurred in 1994. I had the good luck of having a COS date out of Lahr that permitted me to arrange my passage home on the Queen Elizabeth 2 sailing out of Southampton on 8 June. I was able therefore to drive to Normandy and spend 6 June 94 (50th Anniversary of D-Day) visiting some of the memorials and events there; take the ferry across to England; turn my car over to Cunard for loading onto the ship and then relax for several days on the North Atlantic. The voyage was billed as a “D-Day Memorial” cruise. Many of the passengers were WW II veterans, mostly American, some Brits, and at least one Canadian.

One of the events that occurred on the ship was the Captain’s Welcome Party. Dressed in finest bib and tucker, you go through the receiving line, have your photo taken and then proceed to the most important part of the soiree… getting a drink. Some of the other passengers were wearing medals, ribbons or devices that showed that they had served. I was in mess kit as were a few of the other passengers including a Van Doo LCol and a husband & wife who were both pilots in the USAF. It was particularly easy for the Van Doo and me to be noticed in the scarlet monkey jackets.

A few people had approached me with the inevitable questions about who we were and what were we doing. I was chatting with a lady when we were approached by a gentleman in a maroon jacket that included Cdn para wings and several medals. He introduced himself and joined in the conversation which naturally turned to where had you been. He had served with the 1 Cdn Para Bn as a private during the war and had made the jump into Normandy and over the Rhine.

The lady with whom we were chatting asked about the medals and wings he and I were wearing. I probably would have answered in my typically flippant manner about 12 years undetected crime (C.D.), 6 months getting a suntan and not getting a venereal disease (UNEFME) and 4 years wine and beer tasting (SSM with NATO bar), but he replied first by drawing her attention to the one medal we had in common, the Canadian Forces Decoration. I was surprised when he told her it was the one that he was most proud to wear. The lady asked why. His reply impressed me and later that evening I wrote an account of what he said, maybe not verbatim, because we had imbibed several beverages, but close enough for government work.

He said. “ It’s easy to be a soldier when everyone is or wants to be a soldier; when being in uniform is the normal thing to do. The true measure of a man is his commitment to serving his country when there is little chance of excitement, or glory or getting medals. This medal (he indicated his CD) shows people that we pledged a significant portion of our lives to serving our country when few others would, doing things that we didn't necessarily want to do and that were not very glamorous. These (he indicated his 4 or 5 wartime medals) I got for spending 3 years in uniform doing what most guys my age were doing. Was it hard work and dangerous? Yes. But mostly I had a lot of fun doing it.”

Since then I’ve had a different perspective on those little pieces of ribbon that we wear.
 
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I have to agree here. While I might jokingly refer to one or more of my medals with funny little nicknames like "my dishwashing medal" and the like, that in no way negates the time I had to spend away from my family in order to qualify for said medal.

Also, while it might seem like some people qualified for medals such as the Jubilee medals or the KCIII Coronation medal by knowing someone, there were a fair few that received them for relevant things. For example, one of my buddies, who was our Baby Doc (Med Tech) on my ship during the COVID pandemic, had received CoC approval to work with EHS (Nova Scotia's Paramedic Services) IOT augment the medical responses within the province during the pandemic. Because of his efforts, he was awarded the Queen's Platinum Jubilee Medal. I get a little disappointed when good people like him get lumped into the "It's who you know" category.

That said, I would never dare to compare Naval deployments to the other elements' deployments. We have all experienced our own deployments, and they have affected us in their own ways.
I personally think using Jubilee/Coronation medals to recognize some sort of outstanding work is the wrong medal to award. If his work was outstanding, why not a Meritorious Service Medal?

Also, being an Ex-Army guy converted to Navy, I regularly poke fun at my Army buddies whose only trigger time has been in the Forests of Latvia LARPing. Some of us Navy folk have done real Ops in places like the Persian Gulf, Gulf of Aden, etc. I must have been handing out hugs and tickets to the cocktail party on all those boardings off the Coast of Yemen 😄.

The criminals, massive amounts of drugs and illegal activity, IRGC(N) Navy and Pirates were all paid actors. 🤣
 
I personally think using Jubilee/Coronation medals to recognize some sort of outstanding work is the wrong medal to award. If his work was outstanding, why not a Meritorious Service Medal?
I don't know how many times I'd heard this very thing in Command CPO/CWO meetings of putting people in for the MSM/MSC/MMM that weren't Senior NCO's or Officers...in fact, this was a direction coming from NDHQ, yet it seemed the goal posts for those awards were always different for a "normal person" (ie - a coal faced Pte, Cpl or MCpl or young Lt/Capt/Naval equivalents), as when people got nominated for them, they were lucky to get a Formation Commander's or CDS commendation...or worse, solely a brief mention of how cool they were in their PER and phuque all else. Sometimes it's an issue at Unit level for not knowing any different (or, let's face it, personalities often get shit mixed over these things), but other times it's at the Formation or higher levels either because of poor staff work or, again, someone believes a more junior person couldn't possibly be deserving of such a thing/has no business receiving it...see next paragraph.

Much like @Blackadder1916, I too have a story I've told the odd time here as well...only it was the opposite. The looks I got from several senior Medical Branch CWO/MWO's while going to be invested as a Serving Member of The Order of St John were incredibly disdainful...especially from the one's that only had a CD, wondering how I (and a non-medical colleague from Pet) were getting the award as "mere" MCpl's...difference was we had actually worked for St John Ambulance in non-instructor capacities as community service volunteers, we were both officers within our respective Branches and Superintendents for our local divisions - I'd been volunteering with the (then) Brigade for well over 9 or 10 years at the time. I did the silent insubordination thing and stared them down all the way to the cathedral...a few other people came up to me at the reception with the GG and asked "What did you do to be nominated?"...when I told them, most invariably went "Oh..." turned red/purple and muttered something and excused themselves. It put quite a damper on what should have been a good day.

On a less sombre note, I was at a Remembrance Day lunch in Sussex, NB (where the Gagetown Base Clinic paraded) and was caught reading someone's medals and something seemed off to me. Old dude was blind, but his grand daughter was there and noticed me staring, so I asked about them...I was thinking he was Walting actually because he had both a South-East Asia Star AND a Burma Star. Truth be told, he had almost every campaign star from WW2 except the Air and Northwest Europe Stars. My Grandfather was in the British Army and spent a large part of the war in India and Burma - they were told they were entitled to only one or the other as Burma was technically in the same theatre...most Burma vets went with the Burma Star, it's quite distinctive. Turns out, this gent was Merchant Marine and apparently they were just handed the gongs for where they went - he'd been on ships in the Atlantic, Mediterranean, South Pacific and had 2 torpedoed out from under him.

It pays dividends not to assume.
 
Whenever I read a post about the comparative value of medals I am reminded of an encounter I had over thirty years ago and of which I posted an account on these means twenty years ago. I've repeated it a couple of times over the years and, since it's been a few years since, I'll repost it again here.
The quoted cruise/CD story in your post is one of those rare posts here that immediately and profoundly changed my view on something. I’ve adopted that same attitude.

I have a GCS for basically saying “me too” and following the cool kids. I have another medal for doing some work that was objectively good, but that I did purely out of passion and not as a hardship; it feels a bit overkill. My CD, I’ve come to feel, is for all the ‘stepping up’ that to us is unremarkable and usually mundane, but that most Canadians won’t do. And any time I see a CD on someone, I remember it means a lot of ‘stepping up’, and for most, probably more cumulative time away from home and family and more hardship in the aggregate than gongs for tours.
 
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