Need Advice - Reporting a Possible Lying Applicant

[Waters81]

I can agree with SOES_vet concerns, but s/he didn't state that he WAS going to contact the CFRC, s/he was merely asking if he SHOULD advise them of an individuals POSSIBLE mental instability. I'm not saying that s/he should, and I would hope that that kind of thing would surface during the application/interview process, I actually hope it does, especially if the individual is trying to join as an officer. I sure as hell wouldn't want someone who is mentally unstable (if s/he is) giving me orders in a life or death situation. But there was no need to attack him/her for asking the question (57Chevy), that is, after all, more or less what this site is for, is it not?

Unlike you,
At least he has gained some kind of experience wearing the uniform.

Most importantly is #1, (You are not a doctor so you cannot make any diagnosis of his alledged mental state.)
and #3 ( I think you should mind your own business.)

Furthermore, you sound like a busybody meddling in the affairs of others.
Are you sure you want to join the military ?

As far as that little diatribe goes, maybe you should ease up a little. And where do YOU get off questioning someones reasons for wanting to join!? You've served our country, and believe me when I say that it is GREATLY appreciated, and I have no doubt that the wealth of knowledge that you could share with us who are trying to join is invaluable...but it doesn't give you the right to be a prick!
Now, I'm not looking to start a forum battle here, I've said my piece and I apologize to the "Milnet.ca" staff if I have have spoken inappropriately or stepped out of line, but no one should be attacked for asking the advice of others.

 

[57Chevy]

I was not questioning any reasons for someone wanting to join the military.
Advice was asked for, I gave some worth considering.

I made no attack on anyone, and yet there is an attack on a prior reserve force member
who is defenceless to allegations regarding the state of his mental health.

He, like any other person has the fundamental right to seek employment and fulfill his dreams.
If the man has what you imagine to be psychological problems and through some conversation with him
has made you aware of them, then he is likely on the road to recovery.
Only a Qualified Specialist can make any real diagnosis of his condition. And who knows, maybe he is
already seeking professional help, and perhaps has/will obtain a clean mental bill of health. Unless you have documented
proof of his being a violent psychopathic nut case, it is not for you, nor any other, to be throwing axe handles into his spokes.


Sometimes what we perceive is not really the case.

In my time serving, I have myself questioned the mental health of many a soldier and I can say that I
would have jumped/marched into battle, any time, with a whole lot of those same men,.....officers alike. Lets face it,
sometimes people can say some pretty weird things that can make you wonder about their sanity. Some of
those guys who were awarded the most distinguished of medals are seen as being "crazy" for doing
what they did by some people.  Does that mean they have mental health issues ?

You don't have to apologize to the staff for insinuating that I be a prick by calling me one.
I have been called the full array of names from the dirt pile during the last 50+ years of my life. I stand by what I say.

Whether you think he may be a future danger to other troops or to society in general for that matter,
A public forum is not a place to discuss hearsay allegations regarding the mental health issues of others. If you would like
to discuss or seek advice on issues pertaining to yourself, that is another story. 


To go off on a little tangent, I can offer you this little story.

At a time during my service there was an incident where the SM made a point of obtaining the truth surrounding a certain
matter. He gathered the whole of the unit and demanded to know the 'who' involved in the incident. Not one of
the troops came forward.
By the looks of him, he was extremely outraged by it all, but deep down he knew he would have acted in
like manner. After long and vigorous lecture by himself and later by the CO, it became clear that he would not be successful
in obtaining what he queried upon. Realizing this, he knew that the person/s involved would have to come forward
themselves. He gave us an ultimatum and a time limit that those responsible make their way to his office by X hundred
hours or there would be hell to pay. It was only then that he became successful. Sure, the multitude of us knew nothing
of the matter, but there were those that did.
It's called "honour".

There is nothing worse for a soldier to also be a pigeon.
I can let you find that out for yourself if you want. But I assure you that when you
gain some firsthand experience of seeing only the sole of the boots of one of your fellow soldiers
attempting to seek what he perceives to be a few brownie points, you will understand
exactly what I mean.
You will also see the effects on his reputation.

 

[Waters81]

No, you are correct, this is not the place to have that type of discussion, but it is the place to ask whether or not to bring it someones attention. And, I understand the point of your story, and yet again your are correct, a honour is all that one has.
So the question has been asked, and advice given. Conclusion, let the recruiters and the process do its thing, and hopefully, if any issues do exist, they be noted and dealt with appropriately.

 

[SOES_vet]

Conclusion, let the recruiters and the process do its thing, and hopefully, if any issues do exist, they be noted and dealt with appropriately.

I agree. As George Wallace has indicated, this is all really in the hands of the CFRC. As the person who started this thread, I am satisfied with the posts made, and the advice given.

 

[SOES_vet]

Sometimes what we perceive is not really the case.

Absolutely. This is why I went and asked for advice, and why I asked if I was stepping out of line. But one thing I carry with me, is the advice given to me by someone who's profession is exploring his interactions with people. He told me "If you feel there is doubt, there probably is. It may not be what you think it is. It may be something within you, but the doubt is still there." I felt doubt, and I had to further explore it. Discussing more details, beyond what I have already wrote, would not be appropriate but what I can also say is, personally, if I was out get at someone, I wouldn't have asked about the merits of it, or permission. I would have just done it.

To go off on a little tangent, I can offer you this little story.

At a time during my service there was an incident where the SM made a point of obtaining the truth surrounding a certain
matter. He gathered the whole of the unit and demanded to know the 'who' involved in the incident. Not one of
the troops came forward.
By the looks of him, he was extremely outraged by it all, but deep down he knew he would have acted in
like manner. After long and vigorous lecture by himself and later by the CO, it became clear that he would not be successful
in obtaining what he queried upon. Realizing this, he knew that the person/s involved would have to come forward
themselves. He gave us an ultimatum and a time limit that those responsible make their way to his office by X hundred
hours or there would be hell to pay. It was only then that he became successful. Sure, the multitude of us knew nothing
of the matter, but there were those that did.
It's called "honour".

There is nothing worse for a soldier to also be a pigeon.
I can let you find that out for yourself if you want. But I assure you that when you
gain some firsthand experience of seeing only the sole of the boots of one of your fellow soldiers
attempting to seek what he perceives to be a few brownie points, you will understand
exactly what I mean.
You will also see the effects on his reputation.

I won't forget your story.

 

[kawa11]

Unless you have documented proof of his being a violent psychopathic nut case, it is not for you, nor any other, to be throwing axe handles into his spokes.

Pretty sure 'Mythbusters' disproved this in the 'Indiana Jones' episode..just saying  :

 

[brihard]

For what it's worth, good on you for identifying what you see as an issue, and having the guts to seek some qualified advice on the matter, then to stick to your guns in the face of criticism. If you take the attitude and judgment you've shown in this thread into the military with you, some leadership should make a fine officer out of you.

 

[57Chevy]

Pretty sure 'Mythbusters' disproved this in the 'Indiana Jones' episode..just saying  :

I think you know what I meant by that statement.
Anyway,
the speed of the motorbike had a lot of play in busting that myth.

I can remember as a kid in grade school ( accidently : ) throwing a miniture football into the front wheel of some guy
who was riding down the street. He was not going very fast as I can remember that the football got stuck in the spokes
and sure enough he flipped over. (He didn't get hurt)
However,
I cannot recall ever seeing that football again after that little episode. ;D
                                        __________________________________

Episode 111: Motorcycle Flip
Air Date: October 29, 2008
Throwing a wooden pole into the spokes of a motorbike’s front wheel will cause it to flip. (Based on a scene in the movie Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.)
http://mythbustersresults.com/motorcycle-flip
The Mythbusters first obtained a bike similar to the type used during filming of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. They built a mechanized rig that could fire a pole at human-like speeds. During a full-scale test with the bike moving at a speed of 40 miles per hour, the bike snapped the wooden pole without stopping, busting the myth. Undeterred, The MythBusters decided to redo the test with a steel pole. Although the steel pole did stop the bike, it skidded instead of flipping, definitively busting the myth. The team analyzed the movie scene and discovered that explosives were used to flip the bike. They then built a mortar and used it to flip the bike in an elaborate recreation of the movie scene.

 

[kawa11]

I think you know what I meant by that statement.
Anyway,
the speed of the motorbike had a lot of play in busting that myth.

I can remember as a kid in grade school ( accidently : ) throwing a miniture football into the front wheel of some guy
who was riding down the street. He was not going very fast as I can remember that the football got stuck in the spokes
and sure enough he flipped over. (He didn't get hurt)
However,
I cannot recall ever seeing that football again after that little episode. ;D
                                        __________________________________

Episode 111: Motorcycle Flip
Air Date: October 29, 2008
Throwing a wooden pole into the spokes of a motorbike’s front wheel will cause it to flip. (Based on a scene in the movie Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.)
http://mythbustersresults.com/motorcycle-flip
The Mythbusters first obtained a bike similar to the type used during filming of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. They built a mechanized rig that could fire a pole at human-like speeds. During a full-scale test with the bike moving at a speed of 40 miles per hour, the bike snapped the wooden pole without stopping, busting the myth. Undeterred, The MythBusters decided to redo the test with a steel pole. Although the steel pole did stop the bike, it skidded instead of flipping, definitively busting the myth. The team analyzed the movie scene and discovered that explosives were used to flip the bike. They then built a mortar and used it to flip the bike in an elaborate recreation of the movie scene.

I was surprised by the result myself. Didn't expect the thing to go flying the exact same as the movie.
But damned if I haven't been thrown off bikes when I get sticks and such stuck in the spokes..

 

[PrettyMaggie63]

I am living proof that this can happen while riding a bicycle. Several years ago I was biking home from baseball practice carrying my bat across the front handle bars. A thunderstorm was approaching and I decided to hurry up and get home before it hit, so I became careless. The bat slipped from my hands and somehow went in the spokes of the front wheel. The bike suddenly stopped, and although it didn't technically flip, I did, "keester" over tea kettle and ended up in the emergency department getting my upper leg stitched back together. I sure learned my lesson.

 

[JMesh]

That was a bicycle, not a motorcycle. I sincerely doubt you were bicycling at 67.4 km/h (40 mph). The power wouldn't be the same, so it would be more likely to catch than to break the wood as happened in the MythBusters experiment.