New Bin-Laden Tape

[GGboy]

I heard an interesting theory about why OBL hasn't been captured yet: apparently the $25-million price on his head is so big that tribesmen in the Northwest province of Pakistan (where he's reputedly hiding out) don't believe it. The number's too big for your average village headman to take seriously, so they assume it's BS. Dunno if it's true or not, but it's an interesting idea ...
Eventually they're going to catch him. Look how long it took to get hold of Carlos the Jackal, but they did it in the end. My bet is that he'll get ratted out by one of the tribes he's hiding out with, one of these days.
And for the record, OBL's little performance this weekend was his first public admission of responsibility for 9/11. The other claim was on that captured videotape they found in a safe house in Kabul, and wasn't for public consumption.

 

[Britney Spears]

Nah, I can accept him as being astute enough to dictate most of Bush's policies. Any kind of consistency or reason in Bush's policies must be Cheney's idea, Only reason he's not the prez is because he's too obviously evil (Haliburton CEO, public endorsements of Arthur Andersen, Enron, etc...)  ;D

 

[Guardian]

Nah, I can accept him as being astute enough to dictate most of Bush's policies. Any kind of consistency or reason in Bush's policies must be Cheney's idea, Only reason he's not the prez is because he's too obviously evil (Haliburton CEO, public endorsements of Arthur Andersen, Enron, etc...) ;D

Cheney pulling Bush's strings? Please.........

This argument appeals to people because it plays to our pride - we all like to feel better / smarter than someone else, right?

And the idea that the President of the United States is a foolish simpleton, who can't string a coherent sentence together, has great appeal. Cheney playing George like a puppet... wow. I feel so intelligent by comparison! Even more so because so few others realize it!

Well, it doesn't hold water. A look at Bush's past shows that he is actually a very intelligent man. His scores on US military entrance tests were higher than John Kerry's. His SAT score was in a high percentile. He learned to fly a fighter jet - and I'm sure than Inch would agree that stupid people don't make very good pilots. He has an MBA - hard degree to get, and a hard program to get into at most universities, but Bush earned his from Harvard. Not the mark of an idiot - that university has a reputation to uphold, and wouldn't just sell an MBA to some rich guy. Bush was a corporate leader for many years, and the governor of Texas - not a small state. His popularity there's quite high, so he obiously didn't do bad there.

Argue that Bush made mistakes - sure. (I'd certainly agree.) Argue that his judgement is bad - it's certainly possible. (I can buy that, too.) Argue that he's just a dumb puppet on a string - that's not a coherent, intellectual argument. The facts don't support it.

Like KevinB said, Cheney's health isn't really up to the "puppetmaster" job, either.

 

[PARAMEDIC]

lol ceaser you make some good points but I believe the world or everyone in general who doesnt like Bush or his policies are more  irratated by 2 simple facts:

and i think its the same reason why most people are in disagreement with his simpleton gun toting cowboy image.

1) They hyped the hunt for terrorist to a point that they had the average Ameican believing that Afghanistan would be a walk in the park and they would have Osama by the end of the week.
THE MAIN reason to go to war (against the terrorist)  after 9/11.
" HE CAN RUN BUT HE CANT HIDE" anyone remember that line, spoken and directed towards Osama Bin Laden and Al Queda.
Getting rid of the Taliban and bringing freedom to afghans was a secondary mission, one for which the American people were neither sympathetic or Interested in , post 9/11.
( we can get into another topic of how the focus of the American people was shifted thru media from Osama to the Taliban when the HUNT wasn't going as predicted)

If the same amount of troops that was sent to Iraq + the ones sent to afghanistan  combined with coalition troops could have got the job done a long time back. Thus fulfilling the primary purpose to go to war and sending a strong message to would be terrorist.
The Americans post 9/11 had a strong sympathy vote thus favouring the willingness for countries too join the cause.

2) Weapons Of Mass Destruction ...The reason to go to war against Iraq. I'll give him credit for using the momentum gained from the hunt for terrorist and converting it into a viable cause for going to war against Saddam. Which when no weapons were found turned into Liberating and bringing freedom to Iraqees ??(blah) I could  seguay into CNN "the most trusted name in news" LMAO

The American approach seems like an episode of WWF, we all know whats gonna happen but we watch anyways

The reason for that, The Iraqee people were hurting long before and since Bush took office, see the only problem is the WOMD card couldn't be played then. Americans have always reserved the right to a preemtive strike, so what harm could come from being safe than sorry...world opinion ...oops too late for that, any person around the world if asked then or now to truthfully say why the Americans attacked Iraq well the answer would be a resounding "oil" or partly "daddy's unfinished business", not hunting terrorist, liberating Iraqees or weapons of mass destruction.

Afghanistan primary mission Osama and Al queda "Dead or Alive" . Afghanistan secondary mission take out Taliban and liberate Afghans.
Iraq primary mission Weapons of mass destruction "search and destroy". Iraq secondary mission take out Saddam and liberate Iraqees.

Neither primary missions have been fulfilled.

Its the since we are here might as well approach.

Bush had my vote to go after Osama but lost my vote to go after Saddam.

Osama and co. (warrented and logical) Saddam and Iraq.......we can get into another discussion about that.

 

[Guardian]

Paramedic, you make some good points, but the coherence of your argument is lost in your grammatical and spelling errors. My eyes are huting.....  :crybaby:

 

[PARAMEDIC]

Paramedic, you make some good points, but the coherence of your argument is lost in your grammatical and spelling errors. My eyes are huting.....   :crybaby:

see I check this board early in the morning before my first cup of coffee ( after coming home from night shift and before i go to my administrative job in the morning), so I don't really give a rats arse if it is grammatically accurate or if my spelling is right, as long as i get my point across.

seeing how you understood my stance, makes me know that my post has served its purpose.

As for trying to rub me the wrong way dont even think about it.

I want to hear peopls opinions on my post regarding to the subject of my post not how it is presented.

Review your post and make sure your spellings are correct before you go on to try and correct someone else.

I have quoted you which i feel is the most prudent thing to do.

 

[Guardian]

Ouch! Shot myself in the foot. Good catch, Paramedic. My apologies.... 

 

[muskrat89]

1) They hyped the hunt for terrorist to a point that they had the average Ameican believing that Afghanistan would be a walk in the park and they would have Osama by the end of the week.

If the average American believed that (which I disagree with, btw) then that is their own fault. President Bush and his administration made it crystal clear, stressing over and over, that the "war on terror" would probably take decades, if not longer.....