New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

[dapaterson]

FMFCS has 'planned' its way out of maintaining the fleet.

The amount of billed hours to get a single job done is huge.  The process of planning the jobs, then assigning it to a shop...and then tasking the other shop...and then back to the first...crazy.

Consider, we have to install a new cable.  We also need to install a cable bracket to hold it as it goes down a bulkhead.

The job is 'planned' into a work period, and FMF agrees that they'll do it.

First shops shows up and peels away the bulkhead insulation so that the steel is exposed.

Welding shop shows up, with a fire sentry, grinds off a spot of paint, and welds on a threaded stud. 

Fire sentry stays for 60 minutes to ensure cooling/no fires/etc.

Next day, paint shop shows up, puts on a layer of primer (2 brush strokes)

Next day, paint shop shows up, puts on a coat of white paint over the primer (3 brush strokes)

Day after that, once the paint is dry, the insulation guys come back and re-install the insulation.

Paint shop comes back late that day to paint over the patch-tape for the insulation.

Day after that, the electrical shop shows up and threads on the bracket and starts the cable run.

Once the cable run is done, and is clamped in place on the bracket, the electronics shop shows up to do the cable termination.

Once the cable is terminated, they send another guy down to put a label on the cable.  At each end, and on each side of every bulk-head penetration so it can be traced through compartments on the ship.

Then the electronics shop shows up again and tests the cable (can't test it until the labels are on) at which point it's ready to connect.

The Nav shop then shows up and connects the cable to the piece of nav gear that was just installed.

Then, once that's all done, the ship can, at the end of the work period, go back to the ammo depot and bring all the ammo back onboard that had to be landed so that they could weld that close to the magazine (less than 2 meters.)



OR,

Hire an ISSC, who sends a team of 3 guys over, and it's done in a day, and the planned cable run that would have taken it within 2 meters of a magazine is re-routed with an amendment submitted to the specification.

But....FMF is an efficient tool to maintain the fleet....

Or, as Flanders and Swann explained it in the '60s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyeMFSzPgGc

 

[Stoker]

Seriously beginning to wonder if you are on Irving's payroll there, Stoney.

Source please!!!

Mine are internal people at Davie (good friend is in the house). The superstructure was built in their assembly hall, deck by deck fully fitted, then assembled like a cake outside the main assembly chamber until too tall - moved outdoor and assembled in two pieces. To build something like that in Finland then move it to Canada by ship, the bloody transport ship would not have been able to see over the structure from their ship's bridge. It also would not have gone unnoticed anywhere.

You do realize there are specialized transport vessels that do exactly this type of work?

 

[Kirkhill]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0JV8ajbLjA

I would encourage reviewing the attached video from minute 15 onwards.

 

[Kirkhill]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rwE09aCpZU

And also this from about the 30 second mark.

Of course, these days you can't always believe what you see on the internet.

 

[Kirkhill]

Or, as Flanders and Swann explained it in the '60s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyeMFSzPgGc

DAP - thanks.  I was looking for that one as well.  [

 

[Kirkhill]

More on the Davie-ALMACO alliance and also the role of OMX in Canadian supply chain management.

Based on the video evidence (and the testimony from OGBD) I suggest that the sentence "The vessel’s accommodation will soon be delivered by ALMACO as a single structure to be integrated at the Davie shipyard." means that ALMACO was responsible for delivering the structure to dockside to be transported whole onboard the ship.  ALMACO, a Finnish company, managing Canadian workers in a Canadian facility would seem the most likely conclusion.

http://www.davie.ca/news/davie-forges-partnership-world-leading-marine-accommodation-specialists/

OCT 16, 2015
DAVIE FORGES PARTNERSHIP WITH WORLD-LEADING MARINE ACCOMMODATION SPECIALISTS

Chantier Davie Canada Inc.- Établit un partenariat avec ALMACO

LÉVIS, QC, Oct. 16, 2015 /CNW Telbec/ – Davie today announced that it has formalized a partnership with ALMACO Group, a world-leading marine accommodation specialist. ALMACO designs and project manages the construction of marine accommodation at shipyards and industrial fabricators throughout the globe.

Skills and technology transfer to bolster Canadian capabilities


As part of the partnership, ALMACO will open a site-office and setup assembly facilities at Davie as well as enter into a technology- and knowledge-transfer with Canada’s largest shipbuilder for its current and future shipbuilding and offshore fabrication programs.

Vilhelm Roberts, CEO of ALMACO Group spoke of his excitement on the company’s move into Canada, “Leveraging ALMACO’s core skill-sets in designing, engineering and project managing marine accommodation with Davie’s large-scale, specialized shipbuilding capabilities is a winning combination.”

Alan Bowen, CEO of Davie added, “Marine accommodation is an important part of all of our build programs. As industry-leaders in the oil & gas, passenger and naval shipbuilding markets, outfitting large-scale marine accommodation forms an important part of every project. This partnership with ALMACO will ensure that we are implementing best-practice, highest-quality accommodation outfitting which meets the needs of our clients and provides seafarers and passengers with best-in-class accommodation and facilities.”

Engaging Industry and the End-User

As part of Davie’s current ‘Project Resolve’ program to convert a containership into an Auxiliary Oiler Replenishment ship for the Royal Canadian Navy, ALMACO and Davie have worked with OMX, a Canadian supply chain technology platform focused on optimizing Canadian content in defence procurements, to engage both domestic equipment suppliers as well as serving and retired Royal Canadian Navy staff.

An ongoing survey (available at https://theomx.com/surveys/2015/projectresolve) has allowed industry and Royal Canadian Navy staff to make their suggestions as to how Davie and ALMACO can optimize the accommodation on board and improve the quality-of-life for all personnel onboard.

Nicole Verkindt, President of OMX commented “This level of engagement with the people who will actually sail onboard federal ships is innovative and unprecedented. By using the suggestions from the OMX survey, it has allowed Davie to work with ALMACO and Canadian suppliers to provide a safe, efficient and comfortable living environment for our sailors”

Chantier Davie Canada Inc. (Davie)

Voted North American Shipyard of the Year 2015 by Lloyd’s List, Davie is Canada’s largest and highest capacity shipbuilder and industrial fabricator. Davie provides a broad range of products and services to industries from offshore oil & gas to defence. Certified to ISO 9001:2008, Davie leverages its high capacity fabrication facilities with its advanced project management and engineering capability to manage end-to-end construction projects and provide best-practice through life solutions to its corporate and governmental clients.

ALMACO Group

ALMACO Group was founded in 1998 and has offices in Brazil, China, Finland, France, Germany, Italy, Singapore and USA. ALMACO is expanding into Canada by partnering with Davie, Canada’s largest shipbuilder. ALMACO builds and modernizes Accommodation and Food Handling areas for the Marine, Offshore and Construction industries. ALMACO works with owners and builders around the world.

http://www.almaco.cc/news/latest_news/davie_awards_almaco_group_the_delivery_of_the_superstructure_for_project_resolve

March 06, 2017

News

In 2015, ALMACO Group teamed with Canada’s largest and highest capacity shipbuilder and industrial fabricator, Davie Shipbuilding, to deliver high quality accommodation for its current and future shipbuilding projects.

Today, the two companies announced they will be extending their partnership to develop a production line for modular pre-fabricated accommodation at Davie in Québec for future Canadian programs.
The first project between the two companies involved the delivery of the accommodation unit for Canada’s Resolve-Class AOR; a naval auxiliary vessel which will be the largest ship operating in the Royal Canadian Navy fleet. The vessel’s accommodation will soon be delivered by ALMACO as a single structure to be integrated at the Davie shipyard.

ALMACO’s scope of work includes the full EPC (Engineering, Procurement and Construction) contract for the accommodation including cabins, public areas, galley, provision stores, wheelhouse and technical spaces. Combining cruise-ship standard accommodation with military requirements will ensure a safe yet highly comfortable experience for the crew. 

“We are proud to be part of this project where ALMACO and Davie will combine Finnish accommodation production expertise with Canadian shipbuilding capabilities to the great benefit of the vessel’s end users and to meet the timeline for the delivery of the superstructure.” Says Vilhelm Roberts, ALMACO Group’s President and CEO. He added, “As part of this partnership, ALMACO is sharing its skills and technology in accommodation areas with Davie’s personnel as the company has a long and successful history of providing modular prefabricated structures and cabins around the world.”

Jared Newcombe, CEO of Chantier Davie also commented, “ALMACO has consistently delivered on this project and what we are learning through this partnership is invaluable. Though the accommodation represents less than 15% of the entire project, it is certainly one of the areas where these kind of world-class, specialized skills do not currently exist in Canada.”

Mr. Newcombe added “It is one thing being able to build ships but outfitting accommodation to modern, cruise-ship standards is a different basket of skills and expertise. With this partnership, we will be able to deliver world-class accommodation on our ships with a far higher degree of efficiency”.

ALMACO’s concept of fabricating accommodation solutions globally is an advantage for future projects carried out at Davie’s shipyard premises, which will strengthen the cooperation between the companies even further. “ALMACO will establish a more permanent presence in Canada by supporting projects at Davie, with the aim of fabricating modular cabins in Québec”, states Mikael Liljeström, President of ALMACO’s Offshore division.

- See more at: http://www.almaco.cc/news/latest_news/davie_awards_almaco_group_the_delivery_of_the_superstructure_for_project_resolve#sthash.6SzoiQVV.dpuf

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Seems he got you, OGBD...

Yep - got me cold -and I don't like that.

Will be having a talk with my friend today ...

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

All right, info from my friend:

It was supposed to be built, under Finnish supervision, by their new Quebec based plant, which BTW is one of Davie's unused assembly shed.

However, since Davie is financing the whole thing by itself until delivery, they are working real hard at early delivery. So the people at Almaco told them that since they have to get their Quebec workers trained and qualified at their plant in Finland, they could save 30 days by getting the superstructure assembled there and then shipped, so Davie said go ahead. It is, however assembled for 60% by their Quebec workers, who will then move into the Quebec facility for further work in the North American market. Get this, however: there is no savings as far as costs are concerned, only time.

My friend is telling me that, and this is totally unofficial, they are trying real hard for an early August delivery as opposed to the original October date the set for themselves. 

 

[FSTO]

All right, info from my friend:

It was supposed to be built, under Finnish supervision, by their new Quebec based plant, which BTW is one of Davie's unused assembly shed.

However, since Davie is financing the whole thing by itself until delivery, they are working real hard at early delivery. So the people at Almaco told them that since they have to get their Quebec workers trained and qualified at their plant in Finland, they could save 30 days by getting the superstructure assembled there and then shipped, so Davie said go ahead. It is, however assembled for 60% by their Quebec workers, who will then move into the Quebec facility for further work in the North American market. Get this, however: there is no savings as far as costs are concerned, only time.

My friend is telling me that, and this is totally unofficial, they are trying real hard for an early August delivery as opposed to the original October date the set for themselves.

Tell me again why Irving is involved in shipbuilding?

 

[NavyShooter]

They exist to make FMFCS look good?

 

[jollyjacktar]

They exist to make FMFCS look good?

Ouch...

 

[jmt18325]

Tell me again why Irving is involved in shipbuilding?

Tell me how what Davie did would be allowed under the NSS...

 

[FSTO]

Tell me how what Davie did would be allowed under the NSS...

I really don't care. Davie saw a need, put together a business case that was accepted by the RCN and the government of the day and it appears they will deliver ahead of schedule. Or are you the type who values process over product.
Irving has displayed time after time that they really could care less about quality of their work. Davie used to be like that as well but their new owners have really (so far) stepped up their game.

 

[jmt18325]

I really don't care.

I know you don't.  My point is that such an option is not open to Irving or Seaspan given the terms of their contracts. 

 

[suffolkowner]

I know you don't.  My point is that such an option is not open to Irving or Seaspan given the terms of their contracts.

Nor should it be in my opinion, but that shouldn't preclude the government from taking advantage of the solutions offered by Davie's Federal Fleet initiative. Cost and time have been consistently underestimated by the government. Seaspan can be adequately compensated with an additional icebreaker and AOR. The need is there, but no money and if there is no personnel for the RCN and CCG to man the fleets what's the point.

 

[Edward Campbell]

I really don't care. Davie saw a need, put together a business case that was accepted by the RCN and the government of the day and it appears they will deliver ahead of schedule. Or are you the type who values process over product.
Irving has displayed time after time that they really could care less about quality of their work. Davie used to be like that as well but their new owners have really (so far) stepped up their game.

Exactly ~ it's amazing what a little renewed management can achieve.

 

[Navy_Pete]

I know you don't.  My point is that such an option is not open to Irving or Seaspan given the terms of their contracts.

I'm not sure it's actually excluded, but they may have to make some Canadian investments to offset the money spent overseas, so it probably wouldn't make sense financially.

 

[jollyjacktar]

All right, info from my friend:

It was supposed to be built, under Finnish supervision, by their new Quebec based plant, which BTW is one of Davie's unused assembly shed.

However, since Davie is financing the whole thing by itself until delivery, they are working real hard at early delivery. So the people at Almaco told them that since they have to get their Quebec workers trained and qualified at their plant in Finland, they could save 30 days by getting the superstructure assembled there and then shipped, so Davie said go ahead. It is, however assembled for 60% by their Quebec workers, who will then move into the Quebec facility for further work in the North American market. Get this, however: there is no savings as far as costs are concerned, only time.

My friend is telling me that, and this is totally unofficial, they are trying real hard for an early August delivery as opposed to the original October date the set for themselves.

I like what they're doing on the whole, I have some small quibbles with their plan, but on the whole.  Two thumbs up.  If things were different with Davies I would be looking for opportunities to knock on their doorway.  Sadly, 9'er won't leave the coast.

 

[Stoker]

I really don't care. Davie saw a need, put together a business case that was accepted by the RCN and the government of the day and it appears they will deliver ahead of schedule. Or are you the type who values process over product.
Irving has displayed time after time that they really could care less about quality of their work. Davie used to be like that as well but their new owners have really (so far) stepped up their game.

To tell you the truth I really think the only reason why the ship is on time and they are pulling out all the stops to possibility deliver early is to make the other yards look bad and to get more of the pie. If Davie was the prime yard, we would still be seeing what we are seeing now.

 

[jollyjacktar]

To tell you the truth I really think the only reason why the ship is on time and they are pulling out all the stops to possibility deliver early is to make the other yards look bad and to get more of the pie. If Davie was the prime yard, we would still be seeing what we are seeing now.

In the end, I don't give a fuck why they're doing it.  They're doing it and that is more than the other two can say, especially ISI. 

I'll add, that Davies doesn't make ISI, look and deliver like shit.  They do that all their own.  I'll leave Sea Span out of it as I'm an East Coast guy and cannot comment on the West Coast yard as I don't have any experience there.