Colin Parkinson
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The NSS despite it's flaws has been one of the better things we as a country have done in regards to defence.
New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy
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In retrospect I'm still surprised it got put in place; reading through the years of briefing notes, slide decks, presentations to cabinet etc it was an impressive sustained effort, and one of those things where (I think) shows the benefit of having a professional public service who is looking at the long term and can push some genuine strategic things like this.
There is a lot of short term wrapping to sell it to the politicians, with flashy updates and job numbers, but it is generally delivering the actual capability of having functional Canadian shipyards with at least a chance to break the boom/bust cycle if people can buy into keeping them running with new builds. There is plenty of requirements, so just needs to get funded and planned ahead of time so the shipyards don't run out of work first.
I think adding Davie gives too much long term capacity, but makes sense for a short term surge for some immediate needs.
May just lead to a bigger boom before the bust, but the 'mandarins' that godfathered the program did the best they could to try and at least give it a chance at a sustained industry.
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The Polar Icebreaker Project: 2024 Update
www.pbo-dpb.ca
money,money,money
"The Government of Canada is currently in negotiations with CDCI to determine the production timelines of the second vessel. PBO currently assumes construction of this vessel will begin in 2026-2027, two years after construction begins on the first ship at VSY. The two vessels are expected to be delivered in 2030-2031 and 2032-2033, respectively."
Colin Parkinson
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Getting ready to launch the OOSV and the JSS just got her shaft installed as well
www.seaspan.com
OOSV Switchboard Milestone: Bringing the Ship to Life - Seaspan
June 4, 2024 Early last week, Seaspan celebrated a significant milestone for the Offshore Oceanographic Science Vessel (OOSV) program – the activation of the vessel’s power supply. Members of our electrical and commissioning teams joined Canadian Coast Guard representatives to watch as...
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This is interesting. A 3-way pact between Canada, Finland, and the US to build icebreakers.
www.whitehouse.gov
Biden-Harris Administration Announces New Polar Partnership “ICE Pact” Alongside Finland and Canada | The White House
Today, the leaders of the United States, Canada, and Finland announced their intent to create the Icebreaker Collaboration Effort, or ICE Pact, which is a trilateral arrangement to collaborate on the production of polar icebreakers and other capabilities, alongside United States’ allies and...
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FFMThis is interesting. A 3-way pact between Canada, Finland, and the US to build icebreakers.
Biden-Harris Administration Announces New Polar Partnership “ICE Pact” Alongside Finland and Canada | The White House
Today, the leaders of the United States, Canada, and Finland announced their intent to create the Icebreaker Collaboration Effort, or ICE Pact, which is a trilateral arrangement to collaborate on the production of polar icebreakers and other capabilities, alongside United States’ allies and...
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Am I correct when I say that it looks like we are getting 1 more polar icebreaker when reading over the various articles.
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OldSolduer
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the poor lady wouldn't know a submarine from a duck decoy. She may think subs have screen doors.....
I am jesting....aren't I?
Rainbow1910
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I've seen nothing to point to that as of yet, we're still looking at the two Polars previously put into the NSS and nothing more.
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They just Re announce old stuff, as if it is new…They announced there would be a second icebreaker years ago.
Polar icebreakers and the National Shipbuilding Strategy - Canada.ca
The Arctic region’s remoteness and extreme weather conditions present significant challenges to carrying out Coast Guard operations year-round. The acquisition of two new Polar icebreakers will enable the Coast Guard to operate in the Canadian Arctic throughout the year to fulfill Government of...www.canada.ca
And they signed the paperwork last year.
Quebec shipyard added to federal shipbuilding plan after lobbying, delays
The excitement was palpable on Tuesday as Prime Minister Justin Trudeau formally admitted Quebec-based Chantier Davie into the exclusive club of shipyards eligible for billions of dollars in federal work. The announcement was the result of a decade of intense lobbying by the company and delays...montreal.ctvnews.ca
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This is the part that confused me - 2 polars listed as being built in Vancouver, this is from the Guardian newspaper—-
As part of the Icebreaker Collaboration Effort – or Ice Pact – Canada would build two polar icebreakers in Vancouver and a fleet of six from shipyards in Quebec.
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There are multiple icebreakers being built/refirbished in Canada right now. Vancouver, Davie and Irving.
Funny how AOPS is a "slushbreaker" with 2m of ice but these Davie ships (line below) are designed for 1.5m and are specifically called out as icebreakers (of which 6 are being built for CCG).
Program Icebreakers
Also if you go to this link https://www.davie.ca/uploads/pdfs/2022-11-04-nic-en.pdf you'll see Davie is building a Polar Class Icebreaker (and the rest of their builds)
Oldgateboatdriver
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Not really. You have drop-deck trailers, dump trucks, cube trucks, tow trucks, etc. etc. They are all trucks and trailers. We have the same in the military but we call them Heavy Logistics Vehicles Wheeled, Medium Logistics Vehicle Wheeled, Tank Transporters, Wreckers, etc. They are still just truck and trailers, but we name them after the function they carry.
"Icebreaker" is the same. It is not an indicator of the capacity of the vessel to break through ice. It is an indication of function. Unlike the Coast Guard ones, the AOPS are not there to keep navigation channels open, or to rescue merchant ships stuck in ice, or escort other ships through ice, or generally provide assistance to commercial traffic. Those are the functions of the Coast Guard fleet, thus they are called icebreakers. The GoC has specifically advised commercial shipping that the AOPS will not, repeat, not do that for them in the North and therefore, not to call on them for such purpose. That is why the are not "icebreakers" even though they could act as such.
Further to this, looks like Davie is right in the thick of things:This is interesting. A 3-way pact between Canada, Finland, and the US to build icebreakers.
Biden-Harris Administration Announces New Polar Partnership “ICE Pact” Alongside Finland and Canada | The White House
Today, the leaders of the United States, Canada, and Finland announced their intent to create the Icebreaker Collaboration Effort, or ICE Pact, which is a trilateral arrangement to collaborate on the production of polar icebreakers and other capabilities, alongside United States’ allies and...
Davie plans to play a key role in Support of partnership between Finland, Canada and US to build icebreakers - Canadian Defence Review
Davie, the Canada-based multinational shipbuilder, today announced its intention to be among the first private sector contributors to an historic trilateral agreement between the governments of Canada, Finland, and the United States. Canada's Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, and Finland's...
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would Seaspan be able to fit another Polar class into its build schedule?Further to this, looks like Davie is right in the thick of things:
Davie plans to play a key role in Support of partnership between Finland, Canada and US to build icebreakers - Canadian Defence Review
Davie, the Canada-based multinational shipbuilder, today announced its intention to be among the first private sector contributors to an historic trilateral agreement between the governments of Canada, Finland, and the United States. Canada's Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, and Finland's...
I didn't think our coast guard could be factored into the military budget.
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It can’t, but if you are looking for clarity or truth from this government…
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