New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

[FSTO]

That's why we have naval reserve units and Great Lakes deployments.

This is the lineup today for tours in HMCS Frédérick Rolette in Saguenay. Way more engagement showing off new ships than a hundred year old sailing ship.

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I agree with you.
But the decision has been made to keep her (Oriole), I’m just proposing some reasoning.

 

[Stoker]

I agree with you.
But the decision has been made to keep her (Oriole), I’m just proposing some reasoning.

For now, although I think its safe to say her days are numbered. She's one bad storm away from becoming matchsticks unless we send her West and I'm a big fan of that.

 

[dapaterson]

For now, although I think its safe to say her days are numbered. She's one bad storm away from becoming matchsticks unless we send her West and I'm a big fan of that.

Half a CPFs are a bad storm away from becoming artificial reefs.

 

[PrairieFella]

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Half a CPFs are a bad storm away from becoming artificial reefs.

Sir, I wish to discuss this proposal........

 

[Nvlgzr]

Sir, I wish to discuss this proposal........

Might I suggest contacting: ARTIFICIAL REEF SOCIETY OF BC or Organization for Artificial Reefs | Big Bend Marine Conservation to see if they could use an Oriole or a few Halifax’s or a few Victoria’s or a few Kingston’s . All have exceeded their “Best before date”. No reasonable offer refused. Clearance sale on now! The owner says we have to make space for new inventory!

 

[Furniture]

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Looks like the Best Coast fleet is getting things done.

 

[MTShaw]

Half a CPFs are a bad storm away from becoming artificial reefs.

Does Canada need corvettes with 60 crew whose main objective is ship interdiction rather than all of the the other crap added to the type 26? Gowind anyone?

 

[Navy_Pete]

Might I suggest contacting: ARTIFICIAL REEF SOCIETY OF BC or Organization for Artificial Reefs | Big Bend Marine Conservation to see if they could use an Oriole or a few Halifax’s or a few Victoria’s or a few Kingston’s . All have exceeded their “Best before date”. No reasonable offer refused. Clearance sale on now! The owner says we have to make space for new inventory!

As a sidebar, our policy now for combatants is never again for reef societies. In practical terms, there is too much controlled goods on them, and also the cost to clean them first is astronomical. And the reef societies keep dropping the ball and costs us more again to take them back or finish the process.

 

[Navy_Pete]

Half a CPFs are a bad storm away from becoming artificial reefs.

So we shouldn't deploy ships to high readiness operations without redundant propulsion when they have significant structural limitations is what you are saying?

 

[Navy_Pete]

For now, although I think its safe to say her days are numbered. She's one bad storm away from becoming matchsticks unless we send her West and I'm a big fan of that.

Maybe just skip the middle man and go straight to matchsticks.

 

[dapaterson]

So we shouldn't deploy ships to high readiness operations without redundant propulsion when they have significant structural limitations is what you are saying?

Fuel system fires should not be routine is what I'm saying.

 

[PrairieFella]

Fuel system fires should not be routine is what I'm saying.

Fleet wide fires are overrated anyways, we're still using the TAPVs right?

 

[Nvlgzr]

Maybe just skip the middle man and go straight to matchsticks.

Unfortunately Eddy Match just north of Ottawa has closed down.
Humour aside; the feeling I get from this forum is that Oriole should have been divested decades ago. So I would suggest 1 last trip on the navies annual Great Lakes tour; then strip all the hardware and sell at the historical boat marketplaces; you would do well. The wood that is rot free would do well in the reclaimed lumber market. Or if the RCN still feels that for tradition sake we should have a sailing vessel ; save the hardware and have a new vessel built that incorporates as much of the old as possible.

 

[dapaterson]

Unfortunately Eddy Match just north of Ottawa has closed down.
Humour aside; the feeling I get from this forum is that Oriole should have been divested decades ago. So I would suggest 1 last trip on the navies annual Great Lakes tour; then strip all the hardware and sell at the historical boat marketplaces; you would do well. The wood that is rot free would do well in the reclaimed lumber market. Or if the RCN still feels that for tradition sake we should have a sailing vessel ; save the hardware and have a new vessel built that incorporates as much of the old as possible.

...so get GDLS to "refurbish" it is what you're saying...

 

[OldSolduer]

So we shouldn't deploy ships to high readiness operations without redundant propulsion when they have significant structural limitations is what you are saying?

Like oars on a galley?

 

[Nvlgzr]

...so get GDLS to "refurbish" it is what you're saying...

Sounds about right. Maybe add a turret used on a LAV.

 

[Nvlgzr]

Like oars on a galley?

Spinach to become mandatory in all galleys.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

As a sidebar, our policy now for combatants is never again for reef societies. In practical terms, there is too much controlled goods on them, and also the cost to clean them first is astronomical. And the reef societies keep dropping the ball and costs us more again to take them back or finish the process.

Not all the Reef Societies and whoever dreamed up that policy had better take a hard look at the new realities of ship scrapping, the costs of scrapping have shot up through the roof. Not to mention the GHG emissions that the government will have to account for.
The only scrapper on this coast has been shut down. It's actually easier to prep a ship for reefing, than it is for scrapping and you can have the asbestos remain on board.

The ARSBC will no longer take custody of a ship, but will assist in planning location, permitting, consultation and developing the sink plan, explosive layout. This removes the issues from all previous reefings, both successful and otherwise.

Hydrocarbons- Must be removed for both scrapping/reefing
PCB's - Must be removed for both scrapping/reefing
bottom paint - depending on the type and age can be left on for reefing
High Value metals (Brass, copper, stainless, etc)- removed for both scrapping/reefing
ITAR items- Likely must be removed for both scrapping/reefing.

 

[Navy_Pete]

Not all the Reef Societies and whoever dreamed up that policy had better take a hard look at the new realities of ship scrapping, the costs of scrapping have shot up through the roof. Not to mention the GHG emissions that the government will have to account for.
The only scrapper on this coast has been shut down. It's actually easier to prep a ship for reefing, than it is for scrapping and you can have the asbestos remain on board.

The ARSBC will no longer take custody of a ship, but will assist in planning location, permitting, consultation and developing the sink plan, explosive layout. This removes the issues from all previous reefings, both successful and otherwise.

Hydrocarbons- Must be removed for both scrapping/reefing
PCB's - Must be removed for both scrapping/reefing
bottom paint - depending on the type and age can be left on for reefing
High Value metals (Brass, copper, stainless, etc)- removed for both scrapping/reefing
ITAR items- Likely must be removed for both scrapping/reefing.

Yeah, that's not going to happen. MCDVs are already being transferred to the East coast in preparation for future scrapping.

The demilitarization is the big driving factor, there is all kinds of weird things that are controlled goods (and ITAR specifically).

Maybe ask for the Oriole and get started now?

There isn't a shortage of possible vessels to convert though, so no reason it has to be RCN vessels.