New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

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How do we feel about the idea of building a couple of landing ships?

Navy ponders concept of Canadian-built amphibious landing ship for Arctic operations​

It's a good article from the CBC covering this topic. Thought experiment is certainly where we are at with this.

This issue will always be "does the army want this" because at the end of the day this is an enabler for the army. And they only dabble in amphib operations (Vandoos the most). This isn't anywhere on their radar for the big reorg. Fighting as a division will take all of their resources.

I think at the end of the day the RCN will have its hands full and more with just the RCD, Subs, more JSS and CDC. That's a good fleet honestly.

This won't be fully realized in the same time frame due to build times but...

15 Destroyers
12 Attack subs
4 AORs
12 Light Frigates
6 AOPVs
Bunch of patrol boats...

 

[Maxman1]

Maybe go for a full on light carrier like the  Cavour. Amphibious ooperations can be launched from a carrier, it just lacks the well deck for embarked landing craft.

 

[MacNav63]

It's a good article from the CBC covering this topic. Thought experiment is certainly where we are at with this.

This issue will always be "does the army want this" because at the end of the day this is an enabler for the army. And they only dabble in amphib operations (Vandoos the most). This isn't anywhere on their radar for the big reorg. Fighting as a division will take all of their resources.

I think at the end of the day the RCN will have its hands full and more with just the RCD, Subs, more JSS and CDC. That's a good fleet honestly.

This won't be fully realized in the same time frame due to build times but...

15 Destroyers
12 Attack subs
4 AORs
12 Light Frigates
6 AOPVs
Bunch of patrol boats...

Hmmm, maybe if it's only a thought exercise then take it one step further. What if a new defence policy said the navy is responsible for national security in -- and around -- the northwest passage. So now, if the army has its hands full with it's implementing its own future force, then perhaps the thought exercise extends to which service actually provides the ground forces to deploy from that amphibious landing ship. Marines anyone?

 

[Czech_pivo]

It's a good article from the CBC covering this topic. Thought experiment is certainly where we are at with this.

This issue will always be "does the army want this" because at the end of the day this is an enabler for the army. And they only dabble in amphib operations (Vandoos the most). This isn't anywhere on their radar for the big reorg. Fighting as a division will take all of their resources.

I think at the end of the day the RCN will have its hands full and more with just the RCD, Subs, more JSS and CDC. That's a good fleet honestly.

This won't be fully realized in the same time frame due to build times but...

15 Destroyers
12 Attack subs
4 AORs
12 Light Frigates
6 AOPVs
Bunch of patrol boats...

It’s a fleet worthy of a G7 nation, a nation with 3 Oceans to defend, a nation with the largest coastline in the world and a nation needing open sea lanes.

 

[GR66]

Hmmm, maybe if it's only a thought exercise then take it one step further. What if a new defence policy said the navy is responsible for national security in -- and around -- the northwest passage. So now, if the army has its hands full with it's implementing its own future force, then perhaps the thought exercise extends to which service actually provides the ground forces to deploy from that amphibious landing ship. Marines anyone?

Would the money be better spent on expanding the network of paved runways (including increasing length to support larger aircraft) and improved airport infrastructure in the Arctic to provide year-round logistical access to multiple communities rather than on a single ship that can only be one place at a time?

 

[PuckChaser]

This issue will always be "does the army want this" because at the end of the day this is an enabler for the army. And they only dabble in amphib operations (Vandoos the most). This isn't anywhere on their radar for the big reorg. Fighting as a division will take all of their resources.

You misspelled enabler for the CAF.

RCAF doesn't have the lift to support operations in Europe. We have vehicles that are badly needed in Latvia rusting in a dock waiting for civilian lift because RCN has no joint capabilities to work with other services. The ability to use a RORO with an embarked air det to support DART is massive as well. That fighting division isn't self deploying unless we're connected by rail to the conflict zone.

Unless you're suggesting CA get its own ships or aircraft, RCN should be looking to how it can support its friends in the CAF. We literally missed the boat on the Mistrals, time to strike while the irons hot, despite not being a "cool" naval capability.

 

[DBNSG]

Would the money be better spent on expanding the network of paved runways (including increasing length to support larger aircraft) and improved airport infrastructure in the Arctic to provide year-round logistical access to multiple communities rather than on a single ship that can only be one place at a time?

Do both

 

[DBNSG]

Maybe go for a full on light carrier like the  Cavour. Amphibious ooperations can be launched from a carrier, it just lacks the well deck for embarked landing craft.

Or Trieste

 

[childs56]

You misspelled enabler for the CAF.

RCAF doesn't have the lift to support operations in Europe. We have vehicles that are badly needed in Latvia rusting in a dock waiting for civilian lift because RCN has no joint capabilities to work with other services.

How can a Civilian company ship cars, trucks, Tractor Trailers and heavy equipment over seas every other day (once a week)? Yet here we are unable to ship our equipment, Funny how the past failures and lack of forethought fails us to this day.

The ability to use a RORO with an embarked air det to support DART is massive as well. That fighting division isn't self deploying unless we're connected by rail to the conflict zone.

Unless you're suggesting CA get its own ships or aircraft, RCN should be looking to how it can support its friends in the CAF. We literally missed the boat on the Mistrals, time to strike while the irons hot, despite not being a "cool" naval capability.

Canada should build a few RORO ships under Federal Services. Then lease them out for normal contracts. When we need to ship our own equipment we can.

 

[MacNav63]

Do both

Right? Presumably that is also part of the thought exercise. The ship also gives you another option outside of the north, say in responding to crisis in the Caribbean. And I would imagine you would need 2 in order to always have 1 available. But like the admiral said, it's a thought exercise.