New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

[suffolkowner]

I agree.

As of now, with the CDC being a fantasy that we are all dreaming about being reality, for us to go back to the year 2013 we have to wait until the year of 2045 at the earliest - 32yrs just to get back to 'even'. Talk about screwing the pooch in terms of managing our ability to be an independent sovereign country taken seriously by just about everyone.

In that time period, 2013 to 2045, our population will have grown by just under 33% and our GDP from 1.85$ trillion USD in 2013 to an estimate (based in AI), 4.4$ trillion USD in 2045.

how many times in the CAF history have we maintained a numbers capability? less fighter jets, less trucks, less frigates. It is the way
like i said i am more concerned with our potential frigate gap and low point. The Halifax class will be retired from 42 yrs to 49 yrs in service with an average of 46 give or take. Is that possible or reasonable?

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

The Halifax class will be retired from 42 yrs to 49 yrs in service with an average of 46 give or take. Is that possible or reasonable?

No. it's not. And mark my words: In about five years from now, the RCN will have to make a call on whether they retire some of the worst ones early and willfully or accept the law suits when the casualties start coming in.

 

[dapaterson]

No. it's not. And mark my words: In about five years from now, the RCN will have to make a call on whether they retire some of the worst ones early and willfully or accept the law suits when the casualties start coming in.

Five years?

I admire your optimism.

I'd think it's closer to five months before the risk of an "unplanned conversion from surface to subsurface combatant" is so high that not even a NWO can ignore the risk.

 

[YZT580]

Five years?

I admire your optimism.

I'd think it's closer to five months before the risk of an "unplanned conversion from surface to subsurface combatant" is so high that not even a NWO can ignore the risk.

without going off-shore which would take years to set up anyway what are the alternatives for moving the delivery dates forward? Rather than just wringing our hands.

 

[dapaterson]

without going off-shore which would take years to set up anyway what are the alternatives for moving the delivery dates forward? Rather than just wringing our hands.

It's not a question of rapid replacement, it's a question of structural deterioration to the point of being so unsafe sea that not even a NWO can wave it away.

 

[Czech_pivo]

without going off-shore which would take years to set up anyway what are the alternatives for moving the delivery dates forward? Rather than just wringing our hands.

That question and that train of questioning, has been asked a number of times over the last 5+yrs and with no 'solution' stated.

What has been discussed on here is the recent expansion development that Irving has begun. That discussion focused on what new 'capabilities' Irving was going to have but I don't believe it talked in any way about Irving adding to staff substantially or adding another shift to perform work or if these new 'capabilities' would lead to shorten overall times, i.e. moving the last delivery from the timeframe of 2050 down to say 2044. If these new capabilities will lead to shorten timelines its not been released to the public or discussed here. It might be too premature to do so at this point.

For my non-shipbuilding experience, building 15 ships from 2025 to 2050 in 1 shipyard has always sounded to be a dream. Just using the RCN AOPS as an example, even with COVID, the first steel cutting took place in 1 Sept 2015 and the last one delivered sometime this year, 2026. So 11yrs (including COVID delays) to build 6 ships that are less complex than the Rivers. Even if you say that COVID cost us 1 entire year, that's 10yrs for 6 ships that are smaller in length, tonnage, are less complex and weren't built to miliary integrity standards

Do we in all honesty think that 15 ships in 25yrs in 1 shipyard is actually possible?

 

[suffolkowner]

without going off-shore which would take years to set up anyway what are the alternatives for moving the delivery dates forward? Rather than just wringing our hands.

I dont think it would take years, it just takes the will and motivation. The Japanese are planning on building two upgraded Mogamis a year and im sure we could get the SK to build us some Daegus. The problem is on our decision making time period

That question and that train of questioning, has been asked a number of times over the last 5+yrs and with no 'solution' stated.

What has been discussed on here is the recent expansion development that Irving has begun. That discussion focused on what new 'capabilities' Irving was going to have but I don't believe it talked in any way about Irving adding to staff substantially or adding another shift to perform work or if these new 'capabilities' would lead to shorten overall times, i.e. moving the last delivery from the timeframe of 2050 down to say 2044. If these new capabilities will lead to shorten timelines its not been released to the public or discussed here. It might be too premature to do so at this point.

For my non-shipbuilding experience, building 15 ships from 2025 to 2050 in 1 shipyard has always sounded to be a dream. Just using the RCN AOPS as an example, even with COVID, the first steel cutting took place in 1 Sept 2015 and the last one delivered sometime this year, 2026. So 11yrs (including COVID delays) to build 6 ships that are less complex than the Rivers. Even if you say that COVID cost us 1 entire year, that's 10yrs for 6 ships that are smaller in length, tonnage, are less complex and weren't built to miliary integrity standards

Do we in all honesty think that 15 ships in 25yrs in 1 shipyard is actually possible?

say that Irving can get to 6 yrs per build and work backwards
# 15 2050-2044
# 14 2049-2043
# 13 2048-2042
# 12 2047-2041
# 11 2046-2040
# 10 2045-2039
# 09 2044-2038
# 08 2043-2037
# 07 2042-2036
# 06 2041-2035
# 05 2040-2034
# 04 2039-2033
# 03 2038-2032
# 02 2037-2031
# 01 2036-2030

so some room to work with at the start, although the first HMCS Fraser is not expected until 2033? How quick is the learning curve?
the AOPS is looking at delivering 8 ships in 12 yrs with time cut from 5 to 3 yrs approx

the problem as i see it remains if you peg the start of the RCD's at 2033 and delivery at one per year

Halifax
# 01 2033 7 yrs
# 02 2034 8 yrs
...
# 12 2044 18 yrs