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New Defense White Paper??

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Does anybody know when the new defense policy white-paper is supposed to be released?  I've been hearing for months that a major review of defense policy is underway, and presumed that the result would be a new white-paper.
 
I think he means the result of the foreign policy and defense review will result in a new white paper.  To answer the question, I can't say in all honesty it will produce a new white paper or not.  Thats the whole point of the review, I guess we'll know when its finished and tabled.
 
Technicaly, there had not been any white paper in over 10 Years. For the Airforce, I was at at breifing last year, and they want to purchase a bunch of UAV. 
 
And you're assuming that the Air Force will get the UAV's??? They are a ground asset my friend.
 
The question is what type of UAV?

If they're strategic (high-endurance, long-ranged surveillance / strike aircraft) like, say, Global Hawk or Predator, then that would absolutely be their area.

But if they're tactical, then they should be controlled by Army soldiers for the purposes of the commander on the ground. Handicapping him by having to jump through hoops like "service-level agreements" or begging the Air Force to let him have it for a few minutes so he can use it to adjust Arty onto a machine-gun nest that's holding back the advance - that's unnecessary and dangerous....

Besides, White Papers / policy reviews should focus more on desired end states, national objectives, and general capabilities. Which organization within the CF actually gets to use the new toys - is that really a White Paper decision?
 
I am only stating what was on that breifing... We are in the process of upgrading the CF-18... Not all Auroras are gonna be Upgraded, we will eventually look at Herc replacement, and we are presently in the process of evaluating, and eventually purchasing UAVs.  They are looking at, at least 2 new types of UAVs. 

Thats all...
 
Are we going to buy any of the JSF?  We apparently would get a big discount since we're a big R&D partner for it.
 
>> I think he means the result of the foreign policy and defense review will result in a new white paper

Yes, that's what I was referring to.  Has the review been completed yet?
 
I have no idea if we are gonna purchase the JSF... It wasn't mentioned on the brief.  Just that they are gonna finish the F-18 upgrades as planed.  They did not buy the F-16 because it is a Single engine fighter.  It should be the same for the F-18 replacement.  If they have an engine failure while they are doing an Arctic patrol, they want that second engine to bring them to safety.  That was the main argument for the F-18.  To be the devils advocate, they did purchase the F-18 during the cold war and Arctic patrols should have greatly diminished.  I think they are looking at replacing the F-18 between 2020-2025. 
Personally, I think it would make more sense to purchase the Typhoon. 
 
P Kaye I have read a few of your posts and have noticed you tend to put 2 posts down when one will do.
 
CFL, I apologise if that irritates you.
If you would like an explanation for why you sometimes see two consecutive posts by me, there are two:
1) sometimes I make a post, and then shortly after realise there was something else I want to mention.
2) sometimes while writing one post, somebody else posts something.  So I don't read that until I have finished posting.  Then I read the other person's post (which went up as I was composing mine) and want to say something about it... resulting in a second consecutive post by me.
 
Ah... I never noticed that button before.  Thanks for the tip!
 
CHIMO!!!!! said:
And you're assuming that the Air Force will get the UAV's??? They are a ground asset my friend.

Who do you think will be using the UAVs off of naval ships in the coming years?The Air Force! Trials are already been talked about procedures have been laid out and there was no sight of a green uniform.
 
UAVs can be anything from a joint asset down to individual environments tools.  It's pretty perochial to hear folks say, "if it flies, it's the Air Force's."  Some issues are no doubt related to airworthiness, etc.. which must be dealt with -- primarily by the Air Force.  The whole issue of command, control and support, however, is at the very least an interesting one.  I suspect that UAV's in the CF will eventually encompass a family of UAV's across all environmnets.  I have been working with my Army brethren on an LF family of UAVs...from Brigade all the way down to platoon and section level.  At the Brigade-level (TUAV) is seems as though one of Gen Hillier;s last directives was to give some PYs and $$$ to the AF to make the UAV thing happen for the Army.  To be honest, I don't think the Air Force has come to fully appreciate how involved providing an entire system of tactical UAV capability for the Army will be.  I think Hillier was pretty sharp on this one...the Army will get the capability and the Air Force will have to put its money where its mouth is.  It would not at all be a good show for the Air Force to have squawked so loudly about "being the only ones to fly UAVs" and then not be able to provide in theatre when and where required... All the MALE/HALE stuff will likely remain Air Force controlled/supported assets in the CF but they will likely only be capability providers at the tactical level while the Army will actually command and control TUAVs and below.
 
It's foolish to say UAV's are for the ground only.  Airforce, Army, Marines, Navy all use UAV's... so do some research next time  ;)
 
This is really interesting.  What do our resident academics know about Jennifer Welsh?  Has anybody read her "At Home in the World: Canada's Global Vision for the 21st Century"?  From this report it could presage some interesting things for you lot in uniform, not necessarily all bad.

It also seems to say something about the PM's view about the bodies in Foreign Affairs.  Hope it doesn't delay the policy release.

canada news 
Friday, Feb 04, 2005 

Martin outsources search for national identity to university academic


OTTAWA (CP) - Paul Martin tossed his hands up in frustration over his government's review of Canadian foreign policy and has asked an Oxford University scholar to inject it with a bold, new vision for the country.

The prime minister concluded after a series of in-house drafts that his government's review failed to provide that vision, The Canadian Press has learned. The task was subcontracted last month to Jennifer Welsh, a Saskatchewan-born Rhodes scholar who is examining the work and offering suggestions, say sources close to Martin.

The Canadian expatriate is known in foreign-policy circles for her Canada-as-model-citizen concept - a philosophy that touches on everything from the military and foreign aid, to changing the relationship with the United States.

That broad-based philosophy was precisely what the prime minister felt was lacking in drafts produced by bureaucrats and political staff, who a year ago were tasked with charting Canadian foreign policy for the early 21st century.

"(Martin's) not satisfied enough with the story line. It's like, 'What is the organizing principle here?' " said a senior government official.

"I think the main issue is (he's) saying, 'Let's have a fresh pair of eyes that might give it a little more pizzazz.' "

The fresh eyes in question belong to Welsh, who teaches international relations at Oxford and has lived in England for the last five years.

She is also the author of a book - At Home in the World: Canada's Global Vision for the 21st Century - read by both Martin and Foreign Affairs Minister Pierre Pettigrew.

The book encourages Canadians to escape their traditional mind set about how they relate to the United States and the rest of the world.

Welsh says Canada must grow up and stop defining itself in relation to the U.S., which will only lead to knee-jerk pro-or anti-Americanism that fails in both cases to serve this country well.

She says the low point came in the aftermath of Sept. 11, 2001, when U.S. President George W. Bush touched off a furor by failing to mention Canada in an address to Congress.

"It was a raw and unattractive display of our national inferiority complex," she wrote.

"How could we turn an international crisis, an impending war, into an opportunity to navel-gaze and wring our hands over our lack of influence with Washington?

"How small of Canada, I thought."

If it simply strived to be a so-called model citizen in the world, Canada could, she argues, make the best possible choices on things like military deployment and foreign aid, free from the hand-wringing and anxieties over whether we're too much or too little like the U.S.

Instead, Welsh says we should make decisions based on Canadian needs and the needs of countries where we're involved. In other words, we should start worrying about simply making the right choices, she says.

 
The model-citizen concept cuts across the political spectrum and can be applied to virtually any cause.

Conservatives would take heart, for instance, in Welsh's conclusion that Canada should join the U.S. missile shield. The system is being built with or without Canada, she says, and the federal government has a moral duty to protect its citizens with the best available technology.

She also calls for investments in the armed forces, which she calls a crucial tool of Canada's foreign policy.

She and the Liberal prime minister are on the same page when it comes to just what Canada's role should be in the world.

They agree that Canada's new international niche should be democracy-building, and helping failing or struggling states build judicial and political systems.

The principles in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms are an example, Martin said recently, of how to build a peaceful country from the ashes of war.

"Two nations historically at war with each other - the French and the English - came together to found a new country and two religions, Catholic and the various Protestant religions . . . found a way to work together," Martin said during a recent trip to Asia.

"We never sought to form a melting pot, because we always understood that respect for each other was a fundamental tenet of what Canadians were all about. . . .

"I believe that we have built one of the strongest countries in the world and certainly a country that the rest of the world can use as a model."

To Martin, foreign policy is one area where he's winning plaudits and has made numerous foreign trips based on his promise to expand Canada's role internationally.

As soon as he took office he ordered a review of Canadian foreign, military and trade policy.

The last one conducted by the federal government was in 1995, just after the Cold War and dismissed as outdated in the fast-changing international context.

Welsh declined to be interviewed about the foreign-policy review, saying in an e-mail she had a "conflicting commitment."

But in an interview posted on the federal government's Website, she said she wanted Canadians to stop thinking about their country in relative size to others.

"I introduced this idea of the model citizen because I was becoming increasingly frustrated with the idea of Canada as a middle power," she said.

"I increasingly think a huge aspect of Canadian foreign policy is simply being what we are, which is a highly successful model of a liberal democracy."

The Prime Minister's Office declined to comment on Welsh's involvement.



© The Canadian Press, 2005

http://www.mytelus.com/news/article.do?pageID=canada_home&articleID=1836852

 
JasonH said:
It's foolish to say UAV's are for the ground only.   Airforce, Army, Marines, Navy all use UAV's... so do some research next time   ;)

Ahhhh I am sooooooooo foolish!!!!!!!!!
 
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