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New MND - Anita Anand

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If people knew how soundly I'll sleep tonight knowing that Drapeau "was “overjoyed” that a woman was selected as defence minister.".

I'll certainly give her a lot of leeway considering the mess she'll have inherited from her predecessor for whom I also had a lot of high hopes when he first came on board. There must be hundreds of dusty files in that office and when you strip away the brouhaha that the press generates, there are a many, many complex issues that have been ignored by DND and the CAF for far too long.

The CAF's revolving door of PMs/PDs on projects, in a job long enough "to get experience" but not enough to see things through to completion, also contributes to the problems of the capital program.

Considering the length of these projects being assigned as a PD is more like a life sentence than a tour of duty. 😉 But I take your point.

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Don't let facts (ie the labour market availability studies that arrived at that 25%) insert itself into your defensiveness.
Nothing to be defensive about. If Mohammed won't go to the mountain, you can't always bring the mountain to him. There aren't enough women in Canada who are fit for service who actually want to serve to meet the 25 percent requirement.
 

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Nothing to be defensive about. If Mohammed won't go to the mountain, you can't always bring the mountain to him. There aren't enough women in Canada who are fit for service who actually want to serve to meet the 25 percent requirement.

In general, we suck at recruiting under represented groups.

The lure of bagging largely white high school kids in low income areas (you know, like 'Copperhead Road') to quickly fill recruiting quotas is too strong.

How's that Smart Phone app working for us, I wonder?


Canada’s Armed Forces, struggling to hit diversity goals, turns to new digital recruiting tools​


The Canadian Armed Forces are struggling to hit their own targets to get more women, Indigenous people and visible minorities into uniform, new data obtained by Global News shows.
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And, in an attempt to to boost numbers that appear to have been largely stalled for more than three years, the Department of National Defence (DND) will launch a suite of new digital tools — including a smartphone app that, in its functionality, will resemble the matchmaking app Tinder — aimed at convincing more Canadians to consider a life in the Armed Forces.

The Canadian Forces believes a more diverse group is also a more effective group.

 

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At least she won't nominate herself for two Victoria Crosses.

Or design and issue a shovel that doubles as a bulletproof shield, that ends up being both useless as a shovel and not bulletproof.
Hey, she's only been in the job a day. Give her time.

(Reddit /s)
 

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In general, we suck at recruiting under represented groups.

The lure of bagging largely white high school kids in low income areas (you know, like 'Copperhead Road') to quickly fill recruiting quotas is too strong.

How's that Smart Phone app working for us, I wonder?


Canada’s Armed Forces, struggling to hit diversity goals, turns to new digital recruiting tools​


The Canadian Armed Forces are struggling to hit their own targets to get more women, Indigenous people and visible minorities into uniform, new data obtained by Global News shows.
70c8fc80

And, in an attempt to to boost numbers that appear to have been largely stalled for more than three years, the Department of National Defence (DND) will launch a suite of new digital tools — including a smartphone app that, in its functionality, will resemble the matchmaking app Tinder — aimed at convincing more Canadians to consider a life in the Armed Forces.

The Canadian Forces believes a more diverse group is also a more effective group.


I want to voice my opinion of that piece but that would be unprofessional of me as a member of the CAF.
 

Brad Sallows

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The lure of bagging largely white high school kids in low income areas (you know, like 'Copperhead Road') to quickly fill recruiting quotas is too strong.

Yes, but there are only so many purple jobs in HQs to fill. Someone has to be willing to do combat arms.
 

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Combat Arms are not short compared to the more technical / greater education required trades.

Indeed, when all else fails, the recruiters always default to over recruiting infanteers at the expense of tech trades or doctors.
 

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Combat Arms are not short compared to the more technical / greater education required trades.

Indeed, when all else fails, the recruiters always default to over recruiting infanteers at the expense of tech trades or doctors.

Because it's easier. And there are no consequences for doing otherwise.
 

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So I’m going to go out on a limb and say higher tech jobs pay better in the private sector. And honestly not a lot of women want to join either.
As a personal anecdote. Depending on the field in Operation women made up less then 5% of the workers, development work had about 25%. Having said that most dev work had women work as PM, business analysts, documentation specialists compared most men which were the coders.

Here is the kicker almost 90% of the women I knew that worked in IT are not Canadian born or educated. This goes along the lines of the more equal the society the more separation and concentration of specific male and female fields. When you have the choice to do something or not do something, people will gravitate to personal choices rather than survival choices.

I've known and still know very good individuals of either sex that are amazing at their job. One of the most dedicated people I knew actually died at her computer doing her job. Tech work is pretty brutal.

My birth country was considered less equal amongst the sexes yet they had and still have a more equal ratios of engineers, doctors, teachers and even nurses. Also if you didn't work you didn't eat, well at least everyone was equal in regards to poverty, except for politicians.

High tech field pays well I know I am taking a massive paycut by joining even at the Officer pay scale. Money is not a motivator for me so I am ok with this.
 

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Not exactly the video I was looking for, but Jordan Peterson addresses this point, in Scandinavia which has likley been the place that worked the hardest to get women into STEM, have found that the majority of women when given a equal chance just aren't interested. I certainly hope that any woman joining the forces gets an equal chance to excel at whatever they do and are allowed to equally fail. I have never met a talented , smart woman who works hard that thinks affirmative action has any value, infant most think it's now detrimental.

 

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I’ve been around and even prior to this it was difficult to recruit women and visible minorities
Because the issues are just coming to light publicly doesn’t mean they were not there before or that women were not aware of the issues, turning them off of a military career.
 

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Because the issues are just coming to light publicly doesn’t mean they were not there before or that women were not aware of the issues, turning them off of a military career.
Correct. I think even if all the issues were solved it would still be a hard sell.
 

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I’ve been around and even prior to this it was difficult to recruit women and visible minorities
It had a positive effect on me. More so for my sister because she was in the Regular Force, and stayed in for the whole ride.

I believe a young person who learns to embrace military discipline makes a better citizen.
 

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I think family culture has a lot to do with it,......lots of folks think 'military' is what you do when you have no other options and are kinda failing at "life". Two of my three Sisters were in, but the military was celebrated in our upbringing, definitionally not so much in lots of families.
 
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