New Party? Warren Kinsella calls it the LibDemocrats
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What a silly idea. The Liberals just have to find a leader with more charisma than Harper which shouldn't be all that hard. Just because they had a leader who was the first choice of 17.8% of Liberals (Dion) followed by the undemocratic coronation of Iggy doesn't mean there aren't competent Liberal leaders. They just have to find them. A move to the left by the Liberals is going to open up more fertile ground in the centre for the Conservatives.
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Dennis Ruhl said:
Therein lies the "Bob Rae" factor.
I find it amusing that the Liberals managed to direct the spotlight on their internal failings once again. You'd think that they would be more concerned with the Conservatives than with navel gazing.
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Bob Rae is poison in Ontario. I really hope they pick him for leader next.
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Warren Kinsella is a fierce Chretien loyalist, and one of the better political operatives this country has. (By better I am referring to results obtained - he's good at spin, distraction and damage control).
That a Chretien attack dog is now undermining the leader of the Liberal party is very instructive.
(All he needs to be a true member of Canada's political elite is to marry a Desmarais...)
That a Chretien attack dog is now undermining the leader of the Liberal party is very instructive.
(All he needs to be a true member of Canada's political elite is to marry a Desmarais...)
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dapaterson said:
Kinsella's reputation is overblown. A lot stuff that's been attributed to him, was actual done by someone else.
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Retired AF Guy said:
So, a true politician, in other words.
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recceguy said:So, a true politician, in other words.
When you think about it, you're right.
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I hope disgruntled elements from both parties break off to form a new party, giving us 3 parties on the left.
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It looks from the recent Ekos poll, and many in the past, that we are locked in this minority parliament. Neither of the large parties seem able to achieve a majority in Parliament.
No wonder there are rumours of coalition amongst the left.
Thursday, June 10, 2010 8:17 AM
Conservative poll lead slips as voters 'gently recoil'
Jane Taber
Stephen Harper’s Conservatives are floundering as the Tory party moves from being “in the driver’s seat” just three weeks ago to “riding shotgun”, according to a new EKOS poll.
There is “scant” difference now, says EKOS pollster Frank Graves, between the Tories and “their pursuers.”
But what makes these new numbers all the more delicious is that they come amid the fierce debate in political Ottawa over mergers and coalitions on the left.
The EKOS poll shows the Conservatives with 31.4 per cent support compared to 26.8 per cent for Michael Ignatieff’s Liberals. Last week, the Tories were at 31.7 per cent compared to 26.2 per cent for the Liberals.
As well, the NDP are at 16.6 per cent this week; the Green Party is at 12.6 per cent and the Bloc Quebecois is at 8.9 per cent.
And it is not just one factor that is provoking the Tory slippage — not the detainees or the high cost of the security at the Summits, the fake lake imbroglio or the Jaffer/Guergis affair.
Rather, Mr. Graves chalks it up to a “repeated pattern” where the electorate has “gently” recoiled from the Conservatives after it gives it a big, big lead
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No wonder there are rumours of coalition amongst the left.
Thursday, June 10, 2010 8:17 AM
Conservative poll lead slips as voters 'gently recoil'
Jane Taber
Stephen Harper’s Conservatives are floundering as the Tory party moves from being “in the driver’s seat” just three weeks ago to “riding shotgun”, according to a new EKOS poll.
There is “scant” difference now, says EKOS pollster Frank Graves, between the Tories and “their pursuers.”
But what makes these new numbers all the more delicious is that they come amid the fierce debate in political Ottawa over mergers and coalitions on the left.
The EKOS poll shows the Conservatives with 31.4 per cent support compared to 26.8 per cent for Michael Ignatieff’s Liberals. Last week, the Tories were at 31.7 per cent compared to 26.2 per cent for the Liberals.
As well, the NDP are at 16.6 per cent this week; the Green Party is at 12.6 per cent and the Bloc Quebecois is at 8.9 per cent.
And it is not just one factor that is provoking the Tory slippage — not the detainees or the high cost of the security at the Summits, the fake lake imbroglio or the Jaffer/Guergis affair.
Rather, Mr. Graves chalks it up to a “repeated pattern” where the electorate has “gently” recoiled from the Conservatives after it gives it a big, big lead
More at link
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And what sane observer would trust anything produced by Frank Graves and EKOS?
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EKOS is a liebral propoganda tool and not to be trusted.
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I suspect the poll is fairly accurate. The newest "billion dollar boondoggle" resonates with Canadians, especially the "fake lake" bit.
However summer is a comin' and with it the media is forced to cover Harper and he will, almost certainly, look pretty good. MPs will hit the BBQ circuit and Liberals, especially, will have to defendIggy Iffy Icarus against charges that he is weak and indecisive - which may be the truth and it's hard to defend against the truth. Further complicating life for the Liberals is the fact that they are riven with dissent and many Liberals will continue to work to undermine their own leader.
The media will also, of practical necessity, be forced to cover the activists and anarchists and the like who will commit acts of vandalism - justifying the security perimeters and, implicitly, letting the Conservatives say, "See? It's money well spent."
By fall I expect that the cost issue will be long forgotten - maybe replaced by something worse for the government and/or for the opposition parties or, equally likely, some good news about the economy (RBC just forecast 3.6% annual growth for Canada) which will benefit the government.
However summer is a comin' and with it the media is forced to cover Harper and he will, almost certainly, look pretty good. MPs will hit the BBQ circuit and Liberals, especially, will have to defend
The media will also, of practical necessity, be forced to cover the activists and anarchists and the like who will commit acts of vandalism - justifying the security perimeters and, implicitly, letting the Conservatives say, "See? It's money well spent."
By fall I expect that the cost issue will be long forgotten - maybe replaced by something worse for the government and/or for the opposition parties or, equally likely, some good news about the economy (RBC just forecast 3.6% annual growth for Canada) which will benefit the government.
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