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Not quite sure people won't relate to the org because we cut rifle drill at BMQ/BMOQCreating identity, pride, and esprit de corps is important. Things like drill, traditions, and even limited hazing (not beating the crap out of someone or any of that nonsense, but making them earn a place) has value.
The farther we get from creating that identity and more we focus on the CAF just being another job the worse our attrition shall be. Therefore the effort to simply get people to OFP with no ‘fluff’ shall be wasted as they will jump ship as there is nothing tying them to the organization.
Meh, actually carrying a weapon like you are going to employ them and doing the proper drills get ppl familiar with the weapon, not carry it around like an accessory IMHO.Rifle drill is a useful step in learning awareness of weapons handling. Gets people used to the concept of holding and carrying a rifle and where it's pointed, long before you introduce live ammunition into the equation.
Anecdotal, but post 2006 Afghan tour we went to teach a Basic Infantry crse in Wx and convinced the school to allow us to have the troops always carry their weapons like they were readied. They were much better weapon wise than I remember being post course where my course did drill like suckers the entire time. But hey I could do a really good present arms I guess
That is quite the broad brush.....or it could be that they are way more self entitled, babied, candy assed people that need someone to hold their hand and tell them that 2+2=4. I certainly don't see the "way smarter" crowd you mention. Are they keeping them all in the NCR? Maybe I am just getting too old but it does get tiring telling people the same thing over and over. Used to be 2 or 3 times was enough now it is every time.
That is quite the broad brush.....
I understand though getting tired of telling people the same thing over and over again. I feel the same way when I have to tell some old dinosaur how to log into their computer or how to do some minor task with technology. I also don't think that all dinosaurs people are bad at technology because mass generalizations are usually wrong
Start introducing the "Technology aware generation" to GPS and GIS and their minds for the most part goes blank. This generation is made up of users and makers. The kids who are "makers of technolgy/software" are absolutely wizards. However the users are basically only good at swiping on their cellphone and are unaware of the web that supports such stuff.That is quite the broad brush.....
I understand though getting tired of telling people the same thing over and over again. I feel the same way when I have to tell some old dinosaur how to log into their computer or how to do some minor task with technology. I also don't think that all dinosaurs people are bad at technology because mass generalizations are usually wrong
I've mentioned it before but I work in post secondary ed, and specifically on the technology side and this was one of the biggest shocks to me. The amount of kids who have no idea how to use a keyboard or a windows computer actually blows my mind. Young people (those currently under 30 yrs old) mostly grew up using phones and ipads and it's seriously affecting their ability to use business tech effectively. Anecdotally, the profs I've spoken with regularly complain that the new students are getting dumber, are less able to navigate university processes, and less able to think independantly.However the users are basically only good at swiping on their cellphone and are unaware of the web that supports such stuff.
It's not that people are dumber, it's that they have been sheltered from decisions and consequences by the adults around them.I've mentioned it before but I work in post secondary ed, and specifically on the technology side and this was one of the biggest shocks to me. The amount of kids who have no idea how to use a keyboard or a windows computer actually blows my mind. Young people (those currently under 30 yrs old) mostly grew up using phones and ipads and it's seriously affecting their ability to use business tech effectively. Anecdotally, the profs I've spoken with regularly complain that the new students are getting dumber, are less able to navigate university processes, and less able to think independantly.
Is it really that different than previous generations? My generation and my parents’ generation had folks who know how to build and/or fix things, and others who don’t.Start introducing the "Technology aware generation" to GPS and GIS and their minds for the most part goes blank. This generation is made up of users and makers. The kids who are "makers of technolgy/software" are absolutely wizards. However the users are basically only good at swiping on their cellphone and are unaware of the web that supports such stuff.
As for the carrying at the ready or shoulder arms, both are good. Actually carrying the weapon and getting used to it is the goal. Both feed into that goal. The basic rifle drill is the baby steps to the other stuff.
Every generation is worse than its predecessors just ask the previous generationIs it really that different than previous generations? My generation and my parents’ generation had folks who know how to build and/or fix things, and others who don’t.
How about these guys?Is it really that different than previous generations? My generation and my parents’ generation had folks who know how to build and/or fix things, and others who don’t.
Anyway, back on topic, would holding a rifle correctly at the Present Arms really translate well to someone who ends up being an Aviation Tech or Cyber Operator? If not, then you can teach rifle drill (or drill, to be honest) after they’re trained to be whatever trade.
We are trying to reconstitute (yeah that word that people say is a joke) so moving around stuff that’s not needed right now is a good thing.
We want guards and parade stuff? Make a full-time unit like the Wachbataillon or the Australian Federation Guard for the big ceremonies.
Recruiting is down for western militaries, I stated retention though, which is specific extra low in the CAF. It also lines up pretty accurately with when we stopped pushing our culture and identity.Not quite sure people won't relate to the org because we cut rifle drill at BMQ/BMOQ
Recruiting for militaries is down across the Western world so there is obviously something larger at play. One could argue changing identity is the issue or maybe the old ways of endearing ourselves to folks is not appealing. It is probably much more complex than either of those but in my opinion ppl join and stay in an org that cares for them and the CAF needs to get better on that side of the house, as in general the people we want to join are way smarter than those of yesteryear and won't put up with being treated poorly.
Meh, actually carrying a weapon like you are going to employ them and doing the proper drills get ppl familiar with the weapon, not carry it around like an accessory IMHO.
Anecdotal, but post 2006 Afghan tour we went to teach a Basic Infantry crse in Wx and convinced the school to allow us to have the troops always carry their weapons like they were readied. They were much better weapon wise than I remember being post course where my course did drill like suckers the entire time. But hey I could do a really good present arms I guess
Who exactly are we not retaining and why is likely the larger question. You have brought forward a potential correlation which is an interesting one but would love to see some data that backs up any assertion on retention. Very anecdotal but most exit interviews I did with folks or managed on behalf of the CO usually cited desire for better work/life balance, regional stability or better spousal opportunities, not cultural issues but I suspect we have ppl that leave for those reasons as well.Recruiting is down for western militaries, I stated retention though, which is specific extra low in the CAF. It also lines up pretty accurately with when we stopped pushing our culture and identity.
Substantially lower camaraderie, reduced identity with the organization, and a look at whats going on around you making them realize what reason are they staying for? We have paid people substantially less yet never had the retention issues we have today, why? There was a identity and pride in who and what we are. There is a reason every military in the world seeks to develop it.
Do yourself a favour and don't get old, lest you find yourself being denigrated by some smarmy young prick in a public forum who's pretty sure he's got the answers to questions that haven't even been thought of yet. It gets boring pretty fast.That is quite the broad brush.....
I understand though getting tired of telling people the same thing over and over again. I feel the same way when I have to tell some old dinosaur how to log into their computer or how to do some minor task with technology. I also don't think that all dinosaurs people are bad at technology because mass generalizations are usually wrong
Cute story brah, got anything of substance to add?Do yourself a favour and don't get old, lest you find yourself being denigrated by some smarmy young prick in a public forum who's pretty sure he's got the answers to questions that haven't even been thought of yet. It gets boring pretty
Being old isn't an impediment man. Adding nothing of value to the conversation is a killla dude. It is an important conversation for the CAF cause this stuff matters. It is an innocuous subject but it does give insight to larger issues at play from a number of perspectives.Clearly not, sis, because I'm old and therefore irrelevant, carry on.