Old wounds slow to heal on Plains of Abraham - CBC News

[danchapps]

Ok, so I'd like to do a little math here, for my sanity....

[begin rant/]The French lose a battle, however the language is still spoken, AND there is still french culture. In fact there is an entire province that has French as a first official language.

I'm of polish decent, we came to Canada about 125-150 years ago (depending on who you ask). Where we settled we have almost no culture remaining, no language, and get this, we don't even have a province to ourselves. We didn't lose a battle and yet we still lost a great portion of our heritage. Do you see us moaning all the time about stupid little things? No, because we love Canada, and were willing to give things up in order to have a better life. I wish the separatists would give some things up, if they can't then they should move to France where all their precious language and culture still thrives. It sickens me to continually see their belly-aching over the same thing. They should be grateful they still have so much language and culture left. [\end rant]



Edit to add: I also feel this re-enactment should take place as it displays Canadian history, not French, not British, Canadian.

 

[aesop081]

if they can't then they should move to France where all their precious language and culture still thrives.

Culture in France and culture in Quebec the same thing are not.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I wish the separatists would give some things up, if they can't then they should move to France where all their precious language and culture still thrives. It sickens me to continually see their belly-aching over the same thing. They should be grateful they still have so much language and culture left. [\end rant]

.and that's what is great about being a Canadian. They can say and peacefully protest as they please, and others can be ignorant and tell them to leave for being proud. Plus neither side need be worried about falling foul to any draconian laws or authorities. Ahh, tis a great country. Just a thought is all. Perhaps you should try having one before typing an intolerant post next time

 

[danchapps]

I apologize if I seemed intolerant, it just irritates me beyond belief when people complain constantly about how they are losing a language or culture when there are many others who have lost all history when they come to Canada.

As and example, the french have kept their last name with original spelling. I have a name the vaguely resembles the original, in spelling, and is pronounced very much differently. They still have a very strong language, I have no language. They have a vast culture, my family has been fully assimilated. Pretty much the only thing of my Polish heritage I have left, is an unexplainable taste for perogies. So, as you can see, it ticks me off to no end when separatists complain they are losing everything, when there are those of us that have lost everything, yet carry on. This has been my first venting on the subject, and I did not intend for me to sound like all french should move to France, however I would like greatly for those that continually complain to think of someone other than themselves.

Again, I apologize for my previous comments.

 

[wannabe SF member]

Culture in France and culture in Quebec the same thing are not.

I concur, being of both cultures, the things they have in common apart from the language are few and far between.
Go ask the average Quebecer about what he knows of french culture and see if he doesn't use cheap sterotypes like the Monalisa or the Eiffel tower.

Go ask a frenchman what he knows about Quebecer culture, he won't know.

Makes me think a bit of the whole chicken dance they maed Sarkozy do about the whole "Canada is our friend, Quebec is our friend. No wait! Quebec is our brother" business.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I concur, being of both cultures, the things they have in common apart from the language are few and far between.
Go ask the average Quebecer about what he knows of french culture and see if he doesn't use cheap sterotypes like the Monalisa or the Eiffel tower.

Go ask a frenchman what he knows about Quebecer culture, he won't know.

Makes me think a bit of the whole chicken dance they maed Sarkozy do about the whole "Canada is our friend, Quebec is our friend. No wait! Quebec is our brother" business.

Go ask a frenchman what he thinks of the Quebec french language. When I was stationed in Europe they said they would rather try speak english, than 'garbage can french'. They are not so similar and intolerant as our Quebecois and are not neccessarily the friends that others suspect.

 

[wannabe SF member]

Go ask a frenchman what he thinks of the Quebec french language. When I was stationed in Europe they said they would rather try speak english, than 'garbage can french'. They are not so similar and intolerant as our Quebecois and are not neccessarily the friends that others suspect.

Yup, I go to a private school that uses the french system and that is frequented by French expatriates. I witness daily the kind of scorn they have for Quebecers. The leading stereotype is of Quebecers as being like Peasants due to their accent being just like 17th century "Bas-Français". In a way it's true since French-Quebecer has stagnated since the British takeover.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

In a way it's true since French-Quebecer has stagnated since the British takeover.

:rofl:

Sorry. I found that statement quite comical.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Ok, so I'd like to do a little math here, for my sanity....

[begin rant/]The French lose a battle, however the language is still spoken, AND there is still french culture. In fact there is an entire province that has French as a first official language.

I'm of polish decent, we came to Canada about 125-150 years ago (depending on who you ask). Where we settled we have almost no culture remaining, no language, and get this, we don't even have a province to ourselves. We didn't lose a battle and yet we still lost a great portion of our heritage. Do you see us moaning all the time about stupid little things? No, because we love Canada, and were willing to give things up in order to have a better life. I wish the separatists would give some things up, if they can't then they should move to France where all their precious language and culture still thrives. It sickens me to continually see their belly-aching over the same thing. They should be grateful they still have so much language and culture left. [\end rant]

Edit to add: I also feel this re-enactment should take place as it displays Canadian history, not French, not British, Canadian.

So, let me see if I got this straight..............you bemoan the fact that you have lost your culture but it pisses you off when others are trying to keep theirs?

Those grapes are pretty sour......

 

[Kat Stevens]

Oddly enough, every few years there is a Battle of Hastings reenactment, and numerous Viking raid enactments take place all over Britain and Ireland,  and those of good Saxon stock hardly ever put up a stink about it.  The people of French extraction in Quebec, until legislated otherwise, are Canadians, and this battle is a pivotal moment in CANADIAN history.  Build a bridge and get over it, it's not like the Anglos have an annual marching season in Quebec City, ferfuxake.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

, it's not like the Anglos have an annual marching season in Quebec City, ferfuxake.

Naw, they're too busy being real stupid wanting to march through Catholic dominated areas in Northern Ireland to do this every year.

 

[Kat Stevens]

Glad you see my point, and those guys in Ireland are Irish, just like the Catholics they march past.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Yea, and the Catholics really get a kick out of having their noses rubbed in it by a bunch of morons who weren't even there.


I guess we can have the same solution I offered years ago to fix that problem,..anyone who is still alive from those battles has complete marching and reenactment rights, everyone else should stop pretend dressing  like a soldier boy and start growing up.

 

[Kat Stevens]

Bruce, you seem to delight in trying not pick up what I put down, so you win, I quit, let's stop doing anything anywhere that might remotely upset anyone at any time.  Oh, wait, we're already there.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

To upset people just to show some form of unearned superiority?.......damn skippy.

I wonder how many Canadian history books this same amount of money could buy us?,... and without being stupid.

 

[Kat Stevens]

Where anywhere, ANYWHERE, did I say it should be done to rub peoples noses in anything?  I'll answer for you: NOWHERE.  Reenactments are only offensive to people who look for excuses to be offended, and granted there is no shortage of those.  Should we also close the citadel in Quebec or Halifax, or any other museum because of some imagined slight?  Fuck history, it's just too offensive, even the kind in books.

 

[danchapps]

So, let me see if I got this straight..............you bemoan the fact that you have lost your culture but it pisses you off when others are trying to keep theirs?

Those grapes are pretty sour......

As I stated in my second post on this I've lost all of my culture. I've gotten over it, I was using my heritage as an example, however I feel I failed in making that point. There are many more immigrant origins that are in the same boat as my heritage when it comes to loss. They have also gotten over it. I'm not terribly sour about this, in fact I love the fact that I am Canadian. All I was hoping for is that the separatists could see another point of view other than their own. I doubt it though. This was the first time I've stated my views on the subject, apparently from the cold reception I received it will be my last.

I still think that they should have the mock battle to act as a living history lesson. I think we all could use a refresher on some history now and then.

 

[Kirkhill]

To upset people just to show some form of unearned superiority?.......damn skippy.

I wonder how many Canadian history books this same amount of money could buy us?,... and without being stupid.

Would those books be for the Canadian school system or the Quebec school system?

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Would those books be for the Canadian school system or the Quebec school system?

Huh?

 

[wannabe SF member]

Would those books be for the Canadian school system or the Quebec school system?

The last problem of the quebec education system is the books. They should start by tearing it down, stop putting all the exams into "check the box for the right answer" format, put in a little bit more supervision and stop letting people get in highly specialized programs at age 17. With this, you end up with a situation where it's customary for kids to spend 3-4 years in Cegep.

The system is broken Kirkhill and the books are the least of our worries.