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Ontario Election/Campaign June 2022

I’m really not happy with holding nurses to max 1% pay increases with inflation what it is. I hope they succesfully challenge that in court.

I’m also worried about anyone who’s didabled, unable to work and is on ODSP. It doesn’t come close to covering realistic costs of living. A badly disabled person dependent on a spouse as a full time caregiver gets a total of $975 monthly to cover rent, and another modest amount to cover everything else. For years now, I can before current inflation, disability benefits have fallen way below cost of living.
I also think that (presumably older) Ontarians voting PC, which is cutting healthcare, will bite them in the ass.

It'll bite everyone in ON in the ass, but they'll be one of the more affected demographics.

Then they'll complain about the wait times in healthcare, and why the privatized healthcare (if we get to that) is so expensive.
 
Federal conservatives should take note of a premier that governs from the Center a bit, gets rid of his looneys and runs a clean campaign with no hiccups.
For all of the screaming about Ford the Liberal in Sun etc comment sections, less than 5% to New Blue / Ontario.
 
I'm not liking Ford's health care, etc policies but even I knew the result was pretty much pre-ordained.

I'm really hoping the "privatization" scare doesn't come to pass. I'm not holding my breath though.
There’s been privatization for a long time. Heck, dimsum, you could cross over the Macdonald-Cartier Bridge, and grab a $700 MRI at a private medical imaging company about 300m from where the bridge lands in La Belle Province. Just an example and much more abound…
 
I also think that (presumably older) Ontarians voting PC, which is cutting healthcare, will bite them in the ass.

It'll bite everyone in ON in the ass, but they'll be one of the more affected demographics.

Then they'll complain about the wait times in healthcare, and why the privatized healthcare (if we get to that) is so expensive.
…like is ALREADY happening in BC.

Our plan is was to retire in BC where she grew up, but numerous family and close friends have had continuously worsening health care in BC. Family friend had to pre-pay for surgery supplies for a procedure, right down to the Hibiclens and Betadine surgical antiseptic stuff. We thought he was putting us in until he showed us the bill…F me! And they were small business owners and didn’t have a fancy health care plan, so it was all out of pockets ($k’s).

Ontario and Quebec healthcare systems are still best bang for the public and private buck in the eyes of many, and for now, neither my wife nor I are in any big rush to leave Ontario to head back to BC.
 
For all of the screaming about Ford the Liberal in Sun etc comment sections, less than 5% to New Blue / Ontario.
Yep. Same for all the screaming about mandates and Ford's position on the convoy.

But keep in mind only 43% turnout for this one. People were clearly not unhappy with Ford.
 
... the Ford gov't has a very good relationship with the Federal Liberals, mainly due to Christina Freeland and Ford working together in the COVID trenches. Ford on more than one occasion has spoken of his respect for Christina and how they make a good team. As such the Federal Liberals did not encourage their base to mobilize to help their provincial counterparts like has happened in other provincial elections ...
I suspect that right there may have made a difference - I'm sure there was some level of premeditation on the part of Team Red Ottawa Franchise before this happened.

Also true that based on initial polls pre-writ, it was Team Blue's election to lose. Tight discipline plus minimal exposure to media plus opposition not hammering Ford consistently and hard from day one won the day.

I've heard some of the commentariat say that if Team Red doesn't fix up its act for the next election cycle, people may start getting used to them always coming in tail end Charlie. Mind you, four years is a loooooooooong time. Let's see who Team Red & Team Orange end up with as new leaders (I can't see Horwath sticking around very long after round 4, even helping bring the party back to the opposition benches this round).
 
I've heard some of the commentariat say that if Team Red doesn't fix up its act for the next election cycle, people may start getting used to them always coming in tail end Charlie. Mind you, four years is a loooooooooong time. Let's see who Team Red & Team Orange end up with as new leaders (I can't see Horwath sticking around very long after round 4, even helping bring the party back to the opposition benches this round).
4 years is a long time, but memories can often last longer. Personally, I have forgotten neither “Rae Days” nor “Wynnelectrinflation”…

I’ll be happy to support “Provincial-Federal Checks and Balances” 👍🏼
 
…like is ALREADY happening in BC.

Our plan is was to retire in BC where she grew up, but numerous family and close friends have had continuously worsening health care in BC. Family friend had to pre-pay for surgery supplies for a procedure, right down to the Hibiclens and Betadine surgical antiseptic stuff. We thought he was putting us in until he showed us the bill…F me! And they were small business owners and didn’t have a fancy health care plan, so it was all out of pockets ($k’s).

Ontario and Quebec healthcare systems are still best bang for the public and private buck in the eyes of many, and for now, neither my wife nor I are in any big rush to leave Ontario to head back to BC.
Well, there goes our retirement plan too...
 
Well, there goes our retirement plan too...

It would cost much less if you top up your health care with Federal Public Service optional health insurance with (checks notes) Johnson/MEDOC and spend 3-4 months of winter in the Caribbean, than to pay extras for BC Health…
 
I also think that (presumably older) Ontarians voting PC, which is cutting healthcare, will bite them in the ass.

It'll bite everyone in ON in the ass, but they'll be one of the more affected demographics.

Then they'll complain about the wait times in healthcare, and why the privatized healthcare (if we get to that) is so expensive.
Healthcare is the cornerstone of leftist ideals. Their ever ongoing mantra. They will never be satisfied. Mostly because they have no understanding of the system. Just mindless parrots of repetative groupthink. There is never enough free stuff to keep them happy. The waste will be cut from healthcare, not the services. The quality will remain what it is, ever fluctuating. They don't even think about their own private doctor referring them to a private specialist to have their tests done at a private clinic. Yet they bitch, because they're told to. They don't understand, but place blind trust in a union or governments that lie to them. Blame it on lies, deceit, politicians and special interests. People just want to go to the hospital, be properly diagnosed, and have their problem professionally fixed. They have no idea what portion is private or public, nor do they care. I have never heard someone refusing medical treatment because they were at a private clinic, not public. Words and slogans. They mean nothing. There won't be cuts to physical treatments. The cuts that should be made are things like the multi million dollar payments to hospital administrators that hound doctors and nurses to do more with less, to give them a bottom line that will keep them employed.
 
Taxpayers can either have timely health care, or inexpensive health care. Not both.

Most people have been happy pocketing the increased federal spending programs, federal tax cuts, and federal benefits increases. The tradeoff in some cases is, crudely, waiting 3 months to find out what that lump is, hoping it won't become fatally inoperable in 2 months. Provinces want more federal money (of course), but that is part of the Canadian health financing bargain. ON can't fix the problem itself.

Generally: if you let people do something profitable for profit, you get more of it (supply). If you insist on cost containment you will have to settle for less.
 
, and grab a $700 MRI at a private medical imaging company about 300m from where the bridge lands in La Belle Province.

Post-retirement HCSA cover private MRI.

Diagnostic tests – the cost of medical tests such as cardiographs, electrocardiograms, x-rays, ultrasounds, MRI, and CT scans (including the cost of any related interpretation or diagnosis). Deluxe or elective tests are eligible.


Never take comment sections in newspapers or social media as more than the loudest minority.

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I also think that (presumably older) Ontarians voting PC, which is cutting healthcare, will bite them in the ass.

It'll bite everyone in ON in the ass, but they'll be one of the more affected demographics.

Then they'll complain about the wait times in healthcare, and why the privatized healthcare (if we get to that) is so expensive.
No one is cutting healthcare. What is happening is that the healthcare budget is not growing as fast as the demand is. Healthcare inflation was growing at double the rate the rest of economy was. Now add in the crazy inflation of today its going to get way worse. At the current rates Healthcare will be consuming 75 percent of government budgets. There will be no money for roads, schools etc. Healthcare is already in trouble and it will get much worse it doesn't matter what party.
 
Taxpayers can either have timely health care, or inexpensive health care. Not both.

Most people have been happy pocketing the increased federal spending programs, federal tax cuts, and federal benefits increases. The tradeoff in some cases is, crudely, waiting 3 months to find out what that lump is, hoping it won't become fatally inoperable in 2 months. Provinces want more federal money (of course), but that is part of the Canadian health financing bargain. ON can't fix the problem itself.

Generally: if you let people do something profitable for profit, you get more of it (supply). If you insist on cost containment you will have to settle for less.
Try health care here in the Socialist Republic of Manitoba. The province is back logged 130,000 surgeries and diagnostic procedures with no end in sight and not much of a plan but "more money". And don't even think about private health care. We all must suffer the same.

More money isn't going to solve it. Manitoba is not an attractive place for health care professionals. Its nasty hot in summer, cold af in winter and it doesn't matter what party is in power the problem remains. Many are retiring or pulling up stakes and departing.

According to the nurses union there is a critical lack of nurses at the moment. Maybe medicineman can give us better insight.
 
According to the nurses union there is a critical lack of nurses at the moment.

It's been a long time coming.

From 2007.


 
Yep. Same for all the screaming about mandates and Ford's position on the convoy.

But keep in mind only 43% turnout for this one. People were clearly not unhappy with Ford.
I always go with low turn as people are happy with the situation and are not voting. But your milage will very.
 
Try health care here in the Socialist Republic of Manitoba. The province is back logged 130,000 surgeries and diagnostic procedures with no end in sight and not much of a plan but "more money". And don't even think about private health care. We all must suffer the same.

More money isn't going to solve it. Manitoba is not an attractive place for health care professionals. Its nasty hot in summer, cold af in winter and it doesn't matter what party is in power the problem remains. Many are retiring or pulling up stakes and departing.

According to the nurses union there is a critical lack of nurses at the moment. Maybe medicineman can give us better insight.

My wife is a RN. The thousands let go because of the vac mandate was a huge problem. But more so was hidden in the stats because many left or retired and not counted in the released because of mandate....shhh it's secret.
 
Taxpayers can either have timely health care, or inexpensive health care. Not both.

Most people have been happy pocketing the increased federal spending programs, federal tax cuts, and federal benefits increases. The tradeoff in some cases is, crudely, waiting 3 months to find out what that lump is, hoping it won't become fatally inoperable in 2 months. Provinces want more federal money (of course), but that is part of the Canadian health financing bargain. ON can't fix the problem itself.

Generally: if you let people do something profitable for profit, you get more of it (supply). If you insist on cost containment you will have to settle for less.
I needed an MRI in Winnipeg and it was a 6 month wait. I needed the exact same MRI in small-town in the Southern US and asked how long the wait was…. “It normally takes about a week for the insurance approval to come through.” Once the money was there it was a few days for the actual appointment.
 
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